George

Four legs good, two legs better.

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Britannist

And you think that the Polish would welcome over a million British people in their land moving their permanently to take jobs and accommodation from Poles - thus pushing down salaries and pushing up house prices and rents (as has happened in a reverse situation here)? Many doubt it.

Important figures in the UK NHS have said that the NHS cannot cope with the eastern european influx - in some hospitals in our country maternity wings are having to deal with a large and rising number of Polish mothers giving births. Council taxes are rising because councils have to pay for extra services due to the Polish influx. I hardly think that the Polish in Poland would willingly pay more tax to cover the cost of a million uninvited British people moving to Poland.

The last Polish Government took some steps to stop British people in Poland from claiming social security.

Most Polish workers who have come to the UK since Poland joined the EU should go back to Poland. The present Polish Government (and the last one) said that they want all Poles who have moved to work abroad to return.

Britannist

If the above claim is true most of the 14 million British people in or passing through Spain were in Spain for about a week - they were on holiday. Some of the 14 million people (if the figure is correct) would have been British people travelling by land/rail to/from Portugal.

The Polish workers in the UK have mostly been here for over a year - and many two or three years.

Research published several weeks ago revealed that a huge number of Poles who have moved to the UK "have no intention of going back to Poland and want to settle in the UK permanently."

The people of our country did not invite these Polish workers here and most of them - except, possibly, the exceptionally skilled working in labour-shortage areas - should go back to Poland immediately.

George

The law allowing Poles into Britain also allows Britons into Poland. I've been made very welcome. Then again, like most Poles, I work for a living, pay my taxes, don't claim out of work benefits and adapt to suit my host society rather than expect it to change to suit me.

Many talk about it. Many swear by it. If only some were actually able to provide some evidence of it. Incidentally, if immigration is what causes house prices to rise, how is it that land I bought in Poland four years ago for £ 8.20 per square metre is now worth over £ 40.00 per square metre?

Important figures in government said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

Wow! Don't tell me that also affects house prices.

Please, read that sentence again and think about it. Do you really think that is the reason for council tax rises? Think about how council tax rose from 1997 to 2004.

I hardly think they would have to. Firstly, if the British in Poland acted as the Poles do in Britain it wouldn't cost anything anyway.

Really? Hardly surprising given the British mentality of claiming, is it?

And no wonder. They work hard, claim little, pay taxes and don't blow up buses.

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George

Really? It doesn't say that in the article. Any idea how many Poles pass through the UK on their way to Eire?

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TannyD

I don't think anyone has mentioned that, alot of focus on Poles in UK, though.

George

Britannist said: "Some of the 14 million people would have been British people travelling by land/rail to/from Portugal." showing that while 14 million Brits visited Spain that doesn't mean 14 million moved there.

Equally, I was showing that while 1.3 million Poles visited Briain that is not the same as 1.3 million moving there.

Far too much. Sometimes I wonder if government agent provocateurs whip up this kind of frenzy to distract from their dismal failures in other areas, such as the disastrous concept of a multi racial, multi cultural England. Trying to block EU immigration is not like trying to put a sticking plaster on a gunshot, it's more like rubbing MRSA on a gunshot. At least a sticking plaster would do a tiny bit of good.

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Robin

What Spain allows in its immigration policy is for the Spanish people. If they want immigration from any part of the world, they are the ones to evaluate if it is an advantage or otherwise to them.

British immigration policy should be decided by the British, irrespective of Spain`s or any other country, unless there is an example for the good.

So in the discussion about Poles, other Europeans or people from other parts of the world, the amount of British people in Spain is an irrelavence.

Britannist

You don't say.

The number of British people in Poland is miniscule compared to the massive number of Poles in the UK. Like most things about the EU, the system favours european continental nations and not the UK.

Britannist

A naive question - we couldn't care less about property prices in Poland. This is an anti-EU forum and our concern is how property prices in the UK which have increased since EU immigration from Poland. A number of housing and property people have been on the media warning that eastern european immigration is pushing up property prices, rents and reducing the number of jobs available in the UK.

As for your reference to 'metre' (quote above) - another sign that you have 'gone native' (if it is true that you are in Poland). Here in the UK (a country you may never have been to) we use Imperial measurements as and when we can (i.e. in those areas where the EU has not outlawed it).