"Many more immigrants on the way to UK say Germans as border controls end"

George · 24-01-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ranter

No nothing ,but I know what a bricklayer looks like and I havn't seen one yet that speaks Polish

What does a bricklayer look like?

Britannist · 25-01-2008, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by George

Really? You just believe everything you're told then?

I believe correct information such as that researched by Migrationwatch. Time and time again this pro-immigration Labour shower in power at Westminster have admitted that government figures are wrong when challenged by Migrationwatch. Official government figures show that over 770, 000 Polish workers are in the UK now - and estimates put the real figure far higher.

I live in London - a city which now has a larger Polish population than almost any city in Poland (apart from Warsaw and perhaps one other place).

Polish workers in London (and elsewhere in the UK) are forcing British workers into unemployment and causing increasing competition for accommodation and consequent property prices and rentals to rise.

Few think that the Polish in Poland would tolerate a gigantic influx of one million British people into Poland and we should not stand for the uninvited and unwanted massive Polish influx into the UK.

Britannist · 25-01-2008, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by George

Britannist wrote: The massive east european influx into the London area alone has pushed up rents and property prices and pushed down salaries.

"George" wote: Who told you this? A man in a pub? Did house prices not rise before 2004? What caused it in the 80's? Did thousands of immigrants leaving cause the 90's house price crash?.

I am not going to waste too much on this anti-EU forum debating with a time-wasting pro-EU troll like you - whoever you are or claim to be.

Despite your claim to be British (made in another thread) you are so obsessively pro-immigration and pro-Polish that if you are not partly or wholly Polish you sound as if you are married to one or move largely in Polish circles.

We need no lectures here from someone such as you claiming to be in Poland and spamming this forum with postings on how wonderful immigration from Poland to the UK is.

No one invited the one million Polish workers to our country; we don't want them here and the Polish Government says it wants them to return to Poland.

They can have them. Very soon preferably.

Britannist · 25-01-2008, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by George

As you have written but failed to prove. The average wage in the UK for a foreign born worker is £424 per week. For a UK born worker it is £395. How does this lead you to conclude that Eastern Europeans are working for less?

The above figures (no doubt wrong since they come from you) are meaningless and your explanation above simplistic and empty.

Back the figures up with a link/source for a start.

Secondly, average wages are different from salary comparisons for a particular job. A Pole could be the highest paid person in the UK but if s/he is doing a job for less money than a British person expected to be paid to do that particular job then the Pole is working for less in that particular job than a British person.

Britannist · 25-01-2008, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by George

Britannist wrote: I recently read that the Poles - having agreed to work here for less than some British people - are now complaining because Romanians and Bulgarians are now offering British people to do manual work for them at less cost than the Poles are charging.

"George" wrote: In the Mail, no doubt.

It was reported in four newspapers and I also heard it on the radio.

Good though that the Mail newspaper is annoying a pro-EU, pro-immigration troll like you

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Britannist · 25-01-2008, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by George

All of this rests on the assumption that wages are lower. They are not. The difference in numbers on benefits has also not increased since 2004 so all these Brits being forced out of work are either not claiming benefits or do not exist.

The number of young unemployed (people looking for their first time) is higher than it has been for some time. Disability benefit claims are higher than before. The unofficial unemployment figure in the UK is up.

Apart from that - figures published in all leading newspapers a couple of weeks ago (data realeased by ONS - the Office for National Statistics) revealed that the number of people in work in the UK has fallen by exactly the same number as the number of Poles working in the UK now (over 700, 000).

Britannist · 25-01-2008, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ranter

You obviously no nothing of what is going on....

I agree with you Ranger. If it is true that he (the person posting to this forum under the name "George") is in Poland, he will have no idea of how eastern european immigration is costing the British taxpayer so much money.

Britannist · 25-01-2008, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by George

If you are serious about looking at the problems immigration causes then you need to look well beyond the EU.

Don't lecture me about "serious": is quite clear to me that you - a novice as far as knowledge of this issue goes - haven't got a clue about this subject.

EU rules and regulations not only prevent the UK from stopping 470 million europeans coming into the UK if they want to; EU rules also obstruct the British Government from implementing various procedures to properly control the UK border and to control immigration from outside the EU.

This is common knowledge. Everyone knows this - except you.

Britannist · 25-01-2008, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by George

Here in Poland the system of technical colleges is still going. To call himself a bricklayer a Pole needs to undergo four years of training. A Brit needs to borrow a trowel.

I'm getting a bit tired of you endlessly droning on about Poland all the time. We're not interested. Give it a rest.

As for training in Poland: Poland gets huge sums of money (a sizeable part of it British money) to pay to train her workers.

The UK gets fewer grants/funds from the EU than any other member nation.

Many Polish workers in the UK who are bricklayers have not spent four years in a technical college.

Britannist · 25-01-2008, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by George

Know much about the education system in Poland, do you?

I bet he knows more about the education system in Poland than you do about the cost and consequences of massive immigration into the UK from Poland.

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