Hartlepool

So do others on here rjt but they won't say as much.

PCMadness

Yes and a bunch would probably turn out to be no different to yours or my kids.

No one is saying that there aren't problems on our estates and yes they are our problems, created by ridiculous liberal social engineering and judicial incompetance. But don't you think that that is enough to deal with?

Why import any more trouble. It is obvious that there is a severe problem with the type of people who are migrating to the UK. More than 1 in 8 in the the prison system are foreign born, costing us 30K a year each. Get rid fullstop.

We can then concentrate on our own problems.

Offer the jobless the low paid jobs that the immigrants are taking. If they refuse then cut their benefits by 50% and do that every time they refuse work until they are on no benefits whatsoever.

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Watch the white boy get a kicking:

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SilverFalcon

The question always at the forefront of any discussion about multiculturalism is: "Do you dislike people of other races and cultures?" The answer is invariably a foot-shifting: "Of course, not, but ..."

What I have always wanted to know, as a fully fledged member of a so-called multiracial and multicultural society, is, "Why is it so seemingly important, and in some cases vital, that this thing called "multiculturalism" be proven to be a workable "solution" to the fabrication of new societies from old?

When I was a child I was plunged suddenly at the age of eight from a white English social scene into a series of experiences that took me through many different kinds of racial, religious and cultural social and family groups over a period of many years. I learned a lot and often had to do this quickly by adaptation, understanding and in extreme cases, by learning how to stand alone amidst a sea of aggressive strangers who bullied me about my hair and eye colour, my faith, my race and my language. I was requested to soldier on to keep an uneasy peace and put up with this onslaught. I couldn't. It proved to be too much for me. I fell off the conveyor belt and woke up to the realisation that some things just cannot work for all of the people all of the time and that this did not mean that people should hate one another, attack one another, falsely "love" one another or be coerced into rejecting parts of one culture so as to placate the demands of another.

I also learned that others had the same problems from their own perspective and I watched people being bullied in turn by their own detractors. The same nasty comments about hair texture, race, culture, etc reversed. It was all fine in some ways and at certain times and then went decidedly pear-shaped in others. Slowly, I realised that there was a reason why people did this to one another and that this was not located in their inherent hatred for others but in their need to be diverse, individualistic and at the same time to feel a sense of belonging to some group as a fundamental basis for their relations with others, whether these differed much or only slightly from themselves.

People didn't really want to fight and kill one another. They didn't really want to insult one another all the time. They didn't really hate one another so much. You get a few who thrive on this but they are a tiny minority. What fuels large scale conflict over issues of race and culture or religion is the proximity and potential dominance of one group and another diverse group. Sometimes various groups would ally themselves over issues they had in common whilst sharing no real similarity except one of victim status. Others might group as dominators. A catastrophe would unite the groups. A social meeting place would see differences treated good naturedly, because the groups and individuals would be going home afterwards and posed no threat of any kind to one another.

Implementing separation politically made the problem worse. Once it becomes a law that you may not associate or even like someone else rebellious crews of people want to break that law because it is fascistic and cruel and because they feel solidarity with victims of it. This merely creates more grouping and regrouping and more antagonism.

The stress on people under these conditions of multiculturalism can be severe. Not everyone is far from the madding crowd where things are attenuated and seem simply to be a question of "tolerance" and liberal politics, etc. I can vouch for the fact that there are situations where people become severely depressed by the overwhelming force of others. I had no hatred for anyone but I found the pressure of being isolated among them so extreme I began to have fantasies at the age of ten of shutting the large group of almost completely alien others in my life in a building with big steel doors and locking the doors with a padlock so that I could somehow get my bearings back and be free to be myself without the unbearable load of cultural, racial and social majority consuming me.

I was the one who had to conform. I was the one who had to eat strange or unfamiliar food. I was the one who had to worship in a place like nothing I had known before. I was the only one with fair hair and light eyes. I was the only tall one. I was the only one who loved England and Norway and Iceland. I was the only one who didn't eat olives or flat bread. I longed for my dead mother and her fairy tales of England and Scandinavia. I tried not to think about the roast beef and baked fish, the fudge and cakes of the past. I began to "integrate". I started to try to become one of "them". I fell further from myself. I became even more of a stranger among them because I could never belong in the way they did to their own group.

Finally, this phase of my life ended (only to be replaced with yet another set of strangers, but I didn't yet know this). I said goodbye without malice. I had learned so much from the people who were not like me. I knew them and they had been adopted family. I had eaten their food and worshiped in their church. I had shared their sorrows and joys and they had shared mine. It was a trial by fire for me as a very young child but it prepared me for multiculturalism to come and this is why I know that it cannot and will not work and that this has nothing to do with hatred or racism.

It is a simple fact of life that a certain amount of admixture happens in societies but this breaks down into animosity and sometimes open aggression when the scales tip too far in the favour of one group. And this is why democracy as we know it cannot work in multicultural societies unless the powers that be wish to wipe out culture altogether and build new societies. But if this happens they will discover that people begin again to group themselves into factions and these factions will not always be friendly to one another or wish to be dominated.

If you really care about people or the world and you really want a solution to human conflict in terms of race and creed then stop trying to force people together, believing that proximity or intermarriage will solve all of the problems associated with difference. It will work on a small scale, not because any power has decreed that it must but because people have decreed. And where people decide to do things things usually work. When people feel pressure building up and start to complain about this, feel their rights diminished and rebel against this the powers that be simply crush the uprising with more legislation and whole guilt mongering media exercises that demonise the true diversity of human communities.

You don't need to "get rid of racism". There will be no racism or cultural or religious animosity when people who think and act alike are permitted to live with others of the same kidney. There is nothing evil about wanting to be with your own folk. There is nothing wicked about wanting someone who looks like you to sire your offspring. There is nothing demented about heritage and national pride. It is the suppression of these things that builds the stress necessary to power the violence of dictatorships based on race and creed. They are simply the extremist reaction of one group to the perceived threats of another.

Immigrants tend to stick to their own kind. If more come into a country these form groups of cultural and religious and often racial affiliation. No one notices if the mainstream culture remains dominant. As soon as the perceived intruder gains numerical supremacy take over bids occur, councils fall to group sympathy and politicians start chumming up to large new voting blocs they otherwise would see as equally threatening to the integrity of their own cultural heritage.

When vote grabbing and power politics takes the place of giving children a sense of direction and security and when native peoples are forced to flee their traditional living space then you have to concede that you have tipped the scales in the favour of a system that can only make of good natured acceptance a mask of anarchy with which to redress the balance.

Politicians and individuals alike ignore the problems of multiculturalism and designer communities at their own and their people's peril.

For_England

Who can disagree with that? I bet if we divided this forum up, it would be the ones who have experienced multiculturalism first hand on a large scale who are the ones so opposed to it. I've seen my hometown destroyed, and turned into an urban ghetto. My family and most my friends moved away years ago, and the place is unrecognisable. Why should I celebrate a dispossession of a whole community? And why would I not want to do what I can to stop that happening to the whole country? And how dare the @$#$#@ on here demonise us for it?

For_England

If it were vice-versa, we no doubt would all have seen this video by now. White life is cheap in modern Britain.

SilverFalcon

This used to upset me because it always went with the usual misunderstanding and preconceived ideas of racism and bigotry, etc. I have come to the realisation that people who do this fall into two categories: those who are ideologically entrapped and cannot evolve out of this entrapment because it fills psychological needs and vacuums; and those who genuinely haven't yet experienced the ravages of loss. They either don't believe it actually happens, or they believe the people it happens to are not worthy of their concern, and they also believe that moral high ground and political correctness come before common sense and empirical observation.

With people like this, the other party is always guilty and the other party is always wrong, evil or misguided. Brainwashing doesn't help matters, especially when it happens with the full sanction of the state and the media and the approval of most of the unenlightened populace.

Thinking one is out there like a crusader on one's favourite hobby horse whacking away at the infidels of various political kinds makes some people feel important in a way in which ordinary concern cannot compete. The common or garden plight of the people is nothing to these heroes compared with the big shiny accolades of recognition and approval they win through battle with whatever is opposed to globalisation and universalism. It is a dragon slaying quest of pseudo noble proportions that absorbs thousands but comes with a sting in the tail.

Some people can't learn by observation and must get whipped by the dragons of their imaginary quests before they wake up to the fact that quests must have practical as well as noble aspirations.

I always think of Maya Angelou's lesson where she stated that God allows you to be hit by a pebble before you get buried in an avalanche of rocks. If you don't get the message when you feel the pebble you cannot blame God for the devastation that follows. Look back on your life and think of all the little pebbles that have knocked against the windows or landed at your feet. How many times haven't you thought later from under the mountain of rubble that ensued: "If only I'd done something when the stones were small and few. If only I had heeded the warning. If only ..."

Independent Working Class

UKIP is driven by hatrid of the British working class. So much so that they are egar to displace white British working class folk and then flee to some safe place when the SHTF.

Are you a white working class Brit? Then you are nothing but a "chav" to a UKIP candidate. S/he will still pretend to be your friend to get your vote. No doubt UKIP candidates carry some hospital hand gel with them. They have to keep their hands free of chav germs.

Westcountryman

WTF are you even on about?

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steve fowler

Yes what are you on about and excuse me!! im a ukip member and im from the working class does that make me a chav!!!.