"Control immigration to reduce property price rises many say in new survey"

rjt · 12-10-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by John Cooper

I agree with a lot of what you say but immigration does cause property prices to rise. I used to live in a flat, I rented rooms to lodgers all immigrants and moved up the ladder. No immigrants, no lodgers and I would have not been able to afford so much for my house.

I am not saying high levels of imigration are not part of the problem, were imigration only a problem as regards housing then we would have a lot less to worry about.

I do worry when people produce simplistic statments such as send 90% of imigrants home though. We need to look at imigration as one aspect of hwy there are so many social problems in this country.

The Guvnah · 12-10-2007, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

...you should thank your lucky stars you live in a dmeocracy so you can express your views and get change via the ballet box, ...

Not for long, the window within which we can actually haul this ship of fools to a stop is fast shrinking. I'll repeat this until I'm six feet under;

the culture of a nation (and thereby its political condition) is ultimately determined by its demographic.

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...perhaps if you prefer a change of scenary I can recomend Zimbabwe to you. You would know what real hardship was then as you would be beaten and raped if you spoke out against Mugabe and his murderous regime.

see above.

The Guvnah · 12-10-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tara

I not so long ago highly recommended the Notting Hill Carnival for a dose of reality but you pooped your pants and said it wasn't your scene, haha you are so full of faeces it's a joke. Go to hell you pathetic traitor.

interesting fact no.1458

Policing req for Notting Hill, attended by 130,000+ happy interculturalists = 10,000 officers;

Policing req for the average Royal Show, Stoneleigh, Warks, attended by 100,000 ish hideously monocultural people = 14 officers! (majority on traffic control, rounding up stray dogs and kids, enjoying the proffered titbits from stalls and generally thanking their lucky stars they're not doing Notting Hill)

kernow · 12-10-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Guvnah

interesting fact no.1458

Policing req for Notting Hill, attended by 130,000+ happy interculturalists = 10,000 officers;

Policing req for the average Royal Show, Stoneleigh, Warks, attended by 100,000 ish hideously monocultural people = 14 officers! (majority on traffic control, rounding up stray dogs and kids, enjoying the proffered titbits from stalls and generally thanking their lucky stars they're not doing Notting Hill)

Never a truer word!

The Guvnah · 12-10-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

I wonder how such a figure would be decided.

Would you kick out for instance

1) An Asian Woman aged 48 who works 6 days a week in a bank, pays her taxes on time has never broken the law and lives with her 33 year old boyfriend

2) A 61 year old priest from Zimbabwe who had to flee the Mugabe regime who preaches the word of God devoutly and provides support to a parish of over 25000 people regardless of there demomination.

3) A 22 year old Polish girl who has left her family behind and works from 8am-8pm cleaning other peoples toilets, who pays her taxes, is making an effort to learn our langauge.

4) A ugandian couple who had to flee the Amin regime in fear of their lives who have opened up a business bringing vital income to the community.

5) A Ugandian refugee who like the couple above had to get out ofhis own country and has worked hard enough to become Archbishop of York and is at times the one voice of sanity in the Church of England.

6) A muslim woman who came to this country 25 years ago trained as a nurse and has run numerous care homes providing high quality care for severley disabled adults.

7) A lady from Thialand who fell in love with an Englishman and has made a life here with him and had his child.

8) A west Indian family who settled here before I was born whose children have been raised here and who have a badly disabled son.

9) A South African Man who has come into this country works two jobs one of which is his own catering business which caters for Weddings and whose business has brought joy to many peoples lives.

10) A woman from the Republic of Ireland who had to come here in fear of her life because she had the courage to speak out agianst the butchery of Gerry Adams and the IRA.

By your calculations 9 have to go, which one is staying?

Under the 51 UNCHR convention number ten would seem to be the only one with a case.

The Guvnah · 12-10-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

The two concerns over immigration into the UK are:

1) The welfare state.
2) Space.

so national identity and submersion of the indigenous culture (ours) doesn't even make the list?

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I would support much freer immigration policy, since there would be no freeloaders.

You could shut the door tomorrow and the differential birth rate on its own would still ensure an inexorable demand for housing and the inevitable minority status of the indigenous British by the turn of the century.

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p1 Introduction
While fluctuating and, in 2004, not generally increasing, immigration to Western Europe has persisted at a high level. It is likely to stay high for some time, and may increase further....
… Some ethnic minority populations, which are increasing rapidly in numbers, show little sign of abandoning their preference for arranged marriage with spouses from the countries of origin. (e.g. Lievens 1999).

…where deaths exceed births, net immigration now accounts for all remaining population growth. (Héran 2004, OECD 2003, Salt 2003).

The natural increase of foreign-origin populations is often greater than that of the indigenous population, thanks to a more youthful age-structure, higher age-specific fertility rates, and transient distortions in family - building arising from the migration process itself
(Thompson 1982, Toulemon 2004).

Immigration and ethnic change in low-fertility countries – towards a new demographic transition?

Paper presented to Population Association of America Annual Meeting, Philadelphia
March 31 – April 2 2005, Session 98, I April.
David Coleman, University of Oxford
Sergei Scherbov, Vienna Institute of Demography

Smidgey · 13-10-2007, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The Guvnah

so national identity and submersion of the indigenous culture (ours) doesn't even make the list?

A result of government offering special favours to minorities. I dislike these collectivist terms. One day, I hope to emigrate to the USA, maybe I shouldn't be allowed to because I am not an American?

I don't want any society to be a fortress society. If you are going to put strict controls on immigration all that I can see resulting is huge government bureaucracy, increase of taxes and destruction of individual freedoms. I can see this being a strong reason for some to support the liberty destroying ID card.

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You could shut the door tomorrow and the differential birth rate on its own would still ensure an inexorable demand for housing and the inevitable minority status of the indigenous British by the turn of the century.

You cannot extrapolate into the future like that. I'm sure I read somewhere that on current rates by 2150 one in every three American's will make their living as an Elvis impersonator. It wont happen. To presume the birth rate will stay as it is is the same fallacy.

rjt · 13-10-2007, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Guvnah

Under the 51 UNCHR convention number ten would seem to be the only one with a case.

You just chucked my brothers girlfriend out of the country, depirved many people of the best priest we have ever had, deprieved my town of one of its most profitable local businesses, dismissed a senior cleric in the church of england or actually preaches Gods word!, chucked out the best boss I ever worked for who knows more about providing good quality care services than then the government knows about spin, chucked out a couple and thier family who have lived here for over 40 years, chucked out someone who actually makes people happy and does not mind obeying the law.

This country certianly is going to the dogs or it least it will if people like you ever run it.

John Cooper · 17-10-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Guvnah

Under the 51 UNCHR convention number ten would seem to be the only one with a case.

If people are legally here and have permanent residence then they should not be deported. For one simple reason it would be wrong to punish them because our idiot Government let too many people come here.

Of course if someone got asylum through lying they should be deported or if they break the law.

UKIP should say that there is nothing wrong with the people themselves who want to come here legally (if you wanted to go to Australia and you get permission you would go). The problem is of course is letting too many in. That is not their fault - but our Government's.

John Carter · 19-10-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

1901-1911: Increased from 38,328 to 42,138

Compared to now:

1991-2001: Increased from 57,808 to 59,009

The statistics are in millions.

If you believe those figures then hey, please PM me - I have a unicorn to sell you. Only £500,000, so it's a bargain.

I reckon we're hitting more like 80m - there's no way on earth that under 70m are causing the congestion I see around me.

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