For_England

how noble of you! most of us are more concerned that it's inevitable it will happen (according to MI5 sources), not that we might get caught up in it, and that @$@$#@s like UKIP/Labour/Cons allowed it to happen instead of doing something to stop it.

For_England

So then why are MI5 tracking thousands of plots at any given time? And if you agree their present strategy is working, what do you propose to stop them? Civic lessons at school?

Millennium3

No, not civic lessons in schools. I think the big problem is of how our society has become, the government and the governed. This paternalistic approach, which was best demonstrated by Brown at his conference speech, attempts to reduce us all to children. I seem to recall footage of short films shown during WW2 when the public was asked to look out for spies and gave examples of suspicious behaviour. If there were not this new semi-police state, the public would be the best 'eyes and ears' for our protection. Presently these matters are dealt with behind closed doors so it is impossible to know whether the threat is exaggerated for the benefit of the government.

PCMadness

Of course immigration is a threat to our identity. The more immigrants that enter this country and reproduce the more likely our identity is likely to be diluted if not eradicated. Before anyone suggests it, I am not a BNP supporter. Why are people so afraid to speak the truth about the possible future demographics of this country?

Westerners are more concerned about their lifestyles and careers than reproducing whereas many ethnic groups are churning out children for fun. Western societies are faced with an aging population as a result. If this current trend continues there will come a time in the next twenty years where we, the white Europeans could become a minority in our homelands. I'm not racist or bigoted, it is mathamatically probable. If we are being outbred at a rate of 4 to 1 how long would it take before a 2 million person minority becomes a significant minority or even majority?

PCMadness

Of course immigration is a threat to our identity. The more immigrants that enter this country and reproduce the more likely our identity is likely to be diluted if not eradicated. Before anyone suggests it, I am not a BNP supporter. But I don't understand why people are so afraid to speak the truth about the possible future demographic landscape of this country?

Westerners are more concerned about their lifestyles and careers than reproducing whereas many ethnic groups are churning out children for fun. Western societies are faced with an aging population as a result. If this current trend continues there will come a time in the next twenty years where we, the white Europeans could become a minority in our homelands. I'm not racist or bigoted, it is mathamatically probable. If we are being outbred at a rate of 4 to 1 how long would it take before a 2 million person minority becomes a significant minority or even majority?

Christina

The first duty of Government is to protect the public from external and internal threats. If we live our lives in fear, we allow the terrorists to win, but this does not mean we should neglect vigilance.

Smidgey

The first duty of government is protect the life, liberty and property of the people living under it. So far our current government has failed to do this.

The Guvnah

"A total of 49 per cent said immigrants pose a threat to British culture and 52 per cent said they were a danger to the national identity."

Where's the surprise? Don't forget these figures represent only those who have broke their PC programming to sufficient degree that they no longer fear the 'racist' label.

The plain fact is that the defining culture of ANY country is DIRECTLY determined by its demographic composition. Go figure. Use it or lose it. All rather begging the question "go on then! what IS British culture? go on tell us!"

It's a common question, the usually faltering answer usually has something to do with "...er fish and chips". Well I'm afraid that is not good enough. If I'm asked I reply that it is a the manifestation in society, law, arts, agriculture, invention and many other fields of our interaction with our geography and with that culture being transmitted genetically across the 10,000yr contiguous occupation of these North Atlantic islands. It has served us very well.

I came across the following recently by H A Taine in his History of English Literature 1871. Professor Taine was a French Anglophile who based his work on all the available evidence he could get, from Tacitus to Grim.) While not definitive, it certainly will chime with many.


Anglo Saxons As We Were Around 500 A.D.



"Huge white bodies, cool-blooded, with fierce blue eyes, reddish flaxen hair, filled with meat and cheese, heated by strong drinks; of a cold temperament, slow to love, home stayers, prone to brutal drunkenness….There is no living in these lands without abundance of solid food; bad weather keeps people at home; strong drinks are necessary to cheer them; the senses become blunted, the muscles are braced, the will vigorous. Add to this the pleasures of the fight..

Under this native barbarism, there were noble dispositions, unknown to the Roman world. In the first place, "a certain earnestness, which leads them out of idle sentiments to noble ones'… severe in manner, with grave inclinations and a manly dignity. They live solitary, each one near the spring or the wood which has taken his fancy. Even in villages, the cottages were detached; they must have independence and free air. They had no taste for voluptuousness; love was tardy, education severe, their food simple…they sought in preference not mild pleasures but strong excitement.

Each in his own home, on his own land, and his own hut, was master of himself, firm and self-contained, in no wise restrained or shackled…If he bends, it is because he is willing to bend; he is no less capable of self-denial than of independence; sacrifice is not uncommon.

Through all outbreaks of primitive brutality gleams obscurely the grand idea of duty, which is the self-constraint exercised in view of some noble end. Marriage was pure among them, chastity instinctive. They thought there was something sacred in a woman; they married but one, and kept faith with her. In fifteen centuries, the idea of marriage is unchanged amongst them..

The wife on entering the husband's home is aware that she gives herself altogether. And he, like her knows that he gives himself. Having chosen his chief, he forgets himself in him, assigns to him his glory, serves him to the death. "He is infamous, as long as he lives, who returns from the field of battle without his chief"

In their epic, the sublime springs up among the horrible, like a bright flower amid a pool of blood…Is it not strange to see them place their happiness in battle, their beauty in death ? Is there any people, Hindu, Persian, Greek or Gallic, which has peopled its infantine mind with such gloomy dreams ? Is there any which has so entirely banished the sweetness from enjoyment, and the softness from pleasure ? Energy, tenacious and mournful energy, such was their chosen condition.

War is at every door… but warlike virtues are found behind every door: courage, chiefly, then fidelity. Under the brute there is a free man with a heart…Every chief in his hall reckons that he has friends, not mercenaries, in the faithful ones who drink his beer. The sentiments which serve them for discipline - an affectionate devotion and a respect for plighted faith. These appear in their laws and break forth in their poetry. Thus society is kept wholesome.

Religious instinct is not acquired; it belongs to the blood and is inherited with it. So it is with other instincts: pride in the first place, indomitable, self-conscious energy which sets man in opposition to all domination, and inures him against all grief."

Gramboy2

The Guvnah.

Not a bad description.

Unfortunately completely unrecognisable after years of 'do gooding' - especially in the last 15 years.

Gone forever ?

The Guvnah

No! not gone forever. I sense a growing awareness and asessment of priorities.