For_England

Having stuck us with a mess of opposing and often violent cultures, we are now hearing the UKIP response - that we must all confirm to a civic idea which will be projected out and enforced by the law. They don't understand that cultures are not creations of a powerful state, but the living expression of a people. They don't realise that their twin Englightenment planks of committment to the idea (USA 1776) and the mistaken notion that ethnic identity is totally indifferent, will inevitably do what all systems that ignore human nature do - turn into a totalitarian state. But of course, like the neo-cons they share so much in common with (without realising), it will be framed in words like 'freedom'. In reality they wish to impose ideological totalitarianism, thinking that by using the tools of state they will change the hearts of the ever-growing Muslim population, so that when that population reaches 20 or 30 million, they will all be nice chaps espousing traditional British ideas, and will not use their numbers to rip apart the secularist constitution that UKIP traitors would thrust on us as they bury the traditional Protestant nation killed by the Lab/Con traitors. But at least we'll be independent! Such a state necessitates a strong government to act as umpire. It is divide and conquer. Even the utilitarian atheist Stuart Mill saw that. UKIP supporters fail to understand that non-whites do not have the enlightenment mentality - that thing which got us into this mess - that they assume in their ivory tower atheism everybody else will gladly accept. Forget South Africa, and the genocide against whites. They cannot point to our inner cities as oasis's of peace, understanding, tolerance, and British civic values, and yet we are not supposed to get alarmed as we literally pile up the funeral pyre for our children who will have to deal with the mess that was made. Their answer? 'you're a racist!' No, because we do not want for outselves what we would not grant to others who aspire for a national homeland where they can live without interference. Only we want to live in accordance with the way nature has made us, and that means living in like communities with shared values, not a multicultural mess or imposed artificial secular mono-culture where people who teach their children the Bible will be sent to prison (yes, it will happen! Richard Dawkins calls for that, and I'm sure Dawkins would be a god to many of them).

youcanhandlethetruth

Can you elaborate bnpforme on what you claim the UKIP are suggesting ? I didn't really get it in your post.....
You say "confirm to a civic idea which will be projected out and enforced by the law."
Can you elaborate further ?

You also say "You also say "imposed artificial secular mono-culture where people who teach their children the Bible will be sent to prison"

Would someone official from the UKIP like to give an official response to that ?

You say "thinking that by using the tools of state they will change the hearts of the ever-growing Muslim population"
Personally I don't see a problem with everyone keeping their own culture, identity. Do you or the UKIP object to that ? Our government certainly do !
Let's be clear, whilst there are some islamic extremists, most terrorism is government sponsored terrorism.
Please don't ask me to back up my claims - just go on to youtube and watch "terrorstorm".......

harryaldridge

I think you are mistaken that UKIP simply proposes a civic basis of nationalism. I think you will find UKIP also supports cultural nationalism (monoculturalism) to which everybody, regardless of race or religion, should conform. UKIP does NOT, however, support ethnic nationalism which is entirely different and has nothing to do with cultural identity.

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For_England

youcanhandlethetruth - this is the kind of sentiment which UKIPers endorse, and you can find it alot on here.

harry - what I am talking about is the implications of the 'civic basis' which 'should' be 'conformed' to. On the one hand it is a projected image, because a culture is a natural expression, not a government-imposed idea, and on the other, you will never change the hearts of the Muslim population, and when they have the numbers, they will vote for the natural expression of their own culture - Sharia law.

Like The Roman

You're quite right, of course. UKIP are essentially another politically correct party (ie. they adhere to the tenets of social marxism), they represent superficial change.

However what is clear, and is becoming ever more apparent is that immigrants are not assimilating, just look at the proposed Mosque in East London - yes, we've always had religious freedom in Britain, but we've never been faced with such rapid change, which is totally incongruous with our own culture and heritage. Enoch Powell was a very intelligent man, an honest politician, a rarity in this day and age, and he said all this years ago.

Politicians have lied to us, initially immigration was to be temporary, then when people voiced concerns about whites becoming a minority in the 1970s, people laughed and mocked those who voiced such concerns. Now it is evident that it will happen in just a few generations.

A vote for anybody other than the BNP is endorsing the very immigration policy that will see the end of Britain as we know it. It's not yet too late, but we haven't much time. The problem is society is mostly comprised of sheeple - the feeble minded - and they will only complain once it effects them directly.

From Enoch's Rivers of Blood Speech:

Pretty accurate.

When I discussed this very thing with a Kenyan friend of mine at uinersity, he remarked "we're not here to integrate, we want a better satndard of living".

The fact is that the English people will wake up, but it maybe too late, either way if this is not dealt with in time, there will be rivers of blood...

At least I won't be here, then.

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youcanhandlethetruth

Harry,

Can you explain what you mean when you say "cultural nationalism (monoculturalism) to which everybody, regardless of race or religion, should conform." ? I'm just interested to learn more about UKIP policy.

Many thanks.

Like The Roman

He can't answer you, because there isn't a solution! If there is I shall post it on every Islamic forum I can find, to gauge the reaction - I'd like to see muslims' opinions.

UKIP are essentially frightened of scaring off mainstream voters and dare not advocate anything that may be deemed politically incorrect. If I were somehow unable to vote BNP, I'd vote Tory, as they're equally likely to address the problem as UKIP, but more likely to be elected.

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For_England

Of course he can't - this is a big dilemna for the liberals. According to their way of thinking, Muslims should just automatically conform, and it goes against their ideology to think that they would ever want to be anything other than good, moral upright British citizens. So they either let it happen, or they begin to talk about 'forcing' them to conform to our way of life - but they must do it in couched language for their own inner sanity.

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Tom Wilde

Well I'm a liberal, and I don't want Muslims to "just automatically conform". Why should you want to impose your morality or your way of life on them? Are you so insecure in your own culture that you feel the need to force it down other peoples throats? Let them to follow their faith and live as they see fit - and let the rest of us have the same freedom as well. We've all got to follow the same laws - but those laws should be drawn so as to leave room for people to live their own lives the way they please, so long as they don't harm others.