The Tribalism of Human Nature

Little Englander (sour) · 13-09-2007, 02:04 PM

So there have never been unelected Scots in the Government?
So all "British" people are treated equally?, Scottish oap v English oap?,
Scottish Uni student v English Uni student?, Scottish NHS patient v English NHS patient? soddit, you're right, we are all equally "Britshitish"

rjt · 13-09-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Englander (sour)

So there have never been unelected Scots in the Government?
So all "British" people are treated equally?, Scottish oap v English oap?,
Scottish Uni student v English Uni student?, Scottish NHS patient v English NHS patient? soddit, you're right, we are all equally "Britshitish"

Now I see the point you are making more clearly, sorry.

For_England · 13-09-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ranter

I agree the human race is a tribal species,the argument is how big we want our tribe to be from immediate family to the whole of mankind.You want a small tribe,(white britians)I would like a slightly bigger tribe (all britians regardless of origin) and some would like an even bigger tribe than me (eu)

You obviously haven't read and understood what he is saying about 'tribalism', and how it has its roots in ethnic, not civil, identity.

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Through the history of our species all the small tribes (thats you) have become extinct.

Yes, with the eternal loss of their distinctive cultures and identity. Wonderful huh?

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All the big tribes (Soviet Union,Prussian empire,Romans ect) have become extinct.That leaves the bigger than you and smaller than them tribes(thats me)to carry on the species.

The Romans? Have you no clue, that you write things of which you know nothing about? TENS OF THOUSANDS of people were massacred and died in the Roman Empire due to riots and ethnic conflicts in the large cities. If you think they all had some utopian dream about all being Romans, and ethnicity was nothing, you are completely ignorant!

Kevin Adamson · 13-09-2007, 05:50 PM

Yes I was writing complete ******** in reply the unadulterated ***** of the origional post.

Like The Roman · 21-09-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil Sheldon

One of the possible reasons for lack of comment is because it is more of the same garbage peddled by White Supremacists.

An interesting comment, this might be controversial, but there are many studies which substantiate claims that different races have different IQs and physical traits. Richard Lynn being one of them - Richard Lynn

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In 1991 I extended my work on race differences in intelligence to other races. I concluded that the average IQ of blacks in sub-Saharan Africa is approximately 70. It has long been known that the average IQ of blacks in the United States is approximately 85. The explanation for the higher IQ of American blacks is that they have about 25 per cent of Caucasian genes and a better environment.

The theory I have advanced to explain these race differences in IQ is that when early humans migrated from Africa into Eurasia they encountered the difficulty of survival during cold winters. This problem was especially severe during the ice ages. Plant foods were not available for much of the year and survival required the hunting and dismembering of large animals for food and the ability to make tools, weapons and clothing, to build shelters and make fires. These problems required higher intelligence and exerted selection pressure for enhanced intelligence, particularly on the Orientals.

However, his conclusion that orientals have higher IQs than whites is rather strange for a 'white supremacist'. Perhaps, just perhaps, he's an academic...

There are plenty of other studies. However, given the controversy they arouse it may well be that academics shy away from such research.

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The Leeds University academic at the centre of a racism row has defended his view that black people have a lower average IQ than white people.

Dr Frank Ellis, a Russian tutor, says data stretching back 100 years points to a "persistent deviation" in the average IQ of black and white people.

More than 500 students have signed a petition calling for him to be sacked.

Leeds University said his views were "abhorrent" but there was no evidence he had discriminated against students.

BBC NEWS | Education | Tutor defends 'racist' stance

Smidgey · 21-09-2007, 09:33 PM

There is far more genetic variation within a race than between races. If I remember correctly it was roughly 90% to 10% respectively.

Phil Sheldon · 21-09-2007, 10:39 PM

However, his conclusion that orientals have higher IQs than whites is rather strange for a 'white supremacist'. Perhaps, just perhaps, he's an academic...

His 'research' would have had more validity if he had also questioned and tested the variance in IQ between white people in different Socio-Economic groups as well.
White-vs-Black? Not much to recommend his academic achievements there.

Smidgey · 21-09-2007, 10:53 PM

As a hypothetical, let's say one race was on average more intelligent than another - it make absolutely no sense to then say we should get rid of, persecute, throw out or whatever else you want to do to. Because the reality will still be, many members of the less intelligent race will still be smarter than a great many of the more intelligent race. Also, intellect is not everything. Whites may not be as intelligent as Asians, but they may be more creative or rational, who knows.

Like The Roman · 22-09-2007, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

As a hypothetical, let's say one race was on average more intelligent than another - it make absolutely no sense to then say we should get rid of, persecute, throw out or whatever else you want to do to. Because the reality will still be, many members of the less intelligent race will still be smarter than a great many of the more intelligent race. Also, intellect is not everything. Whites may not be as intelligent as Asians, but they may be more creative or rational, who knows.

I agree. There are plenty of very stupid white people, just look at all the Labour voters.

My own conclusions about race and IQ and genetic difference are based on anecdotal evidence. I look at Sub-Saharan Africa, and its peoples' contribution to mankind's advancement. I contrast this with oriental societies like Japan, which is, it strikes me, very clean, ordered and civilised. I look at sporting achievements, and it occurs to me that blacks generally make better athletes, though not such good swimmers. If race is a social construction, then how does one explain these facts?

This is not about superiority, but about acknowledging the truth.

Like The Roman · 22-09-2007, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

As a hypothetical, let's say one race was on average more intelligent than another - it make absolutely no sense to then say we should get rid of, persecute, throw out or whatever else you want to do to. Because the reality will still be, many members of the less intelligent race will still be smarter than a great many of the more intelligent race. Also, intellect is not everything. Whites may not be as intelligent as Asians, but they may be more creative or rational, who knows.

No. But it does mean, IMHO, that we are unique, and deserve a homeland where we are allowed to flourish.

Let’s not cower from the hard truth about race and IQ | Matthew Syed - Times Online

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13-09-2007, 02:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
Little Englander (sour) Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 896 Party: English Democrats	So there have never been unelected Scots in the Government? So all "British" people are treated equally?, Scottish oap v English oap?, Scottish Uni student v English Uni student?, Scottish NHS patient v English NHS patient? soddit, you're right, we are all equally "Britshitish"

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Kevin Adamson Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Surrey Posts: 864 Party: UKIP	Yes I was writing complete ****** in reply the unadulterated *** of the origional post.

21-09-2007, 09:33 PM	#16 (permalink)
Smidgey Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,169 Party: Libertarian Party	There is far more genetic variation within a race than between races. If I remember correctly it was roughly 90% to 10% respectively.

21-09-2007, 10:39 PM	#17 (permalink)
Phil Sheldon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 587	However, his conclusion that orientals have higher IQs than whites is rather strange for a 'white supremacist'. Perhaps, just perhaps, he's an academic... His 'research' would have had more validity if he had also questioned and tested the variance in IQ between white people in different Socio-Economic groups as well. White-vs-Black? Not much to recommend his academic achievements there.

21-09-2007, 10:53 PM	#18 (permalink)
Smidgey Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,169 Party: Libertarian Party	As a hypothetical, let's say one race was on average more intelligent than another - it make absolutely no sense to then say we should get rid of, persecute, throw out or whatever else you want to do to. Because the reality will still be, many members of the less intelligent race will still be smarter than a great many of the more intelligent race. Also, intellect is not everything. Whites may not be as intelligent as Asians, but they may be more creative or rational, who knows.