rjt

Could you provide quantifiable evidence to this forum to prove 'they do it because they can' and that 'other people lives mean nothing to them' Not just random cases hyped up by the rabid right wing press i mean proper studies. What detailed studies have been done that back up your claims

If it is the case and I no doubt there are instances that occur for the reasons you describe, we need to aks why people have no value on human life, what are parents and the schools teaching our young people, why are there lives so unstructured etc. How much of a role does family breakdown play etc.

Certainly if you strung them up they would not do it again but the next one would and the next and the next and the next and the next and the next and the next and the next and the next and the next and the next and the next and the next and the next and the next etc.

Englishdan

The last politcian to have the balls to speak his mind honestly (rightly or rongly) was Enoch Powell and look what the establishment done to that poor *******, while later that traitor Edward Heath was given sainthood.

steve fowler

If we manage to get of the corrupt EU i would to see a plack to honor enoch powell put up as he try to stop us going into something that is now killing our country and to have ted heath shown as a traitor to britain and hated by the future generations along with the ones still trying to finish what he started!!

rjt

The biggest honour anyone could pay Enoch Powell is to decalre that on the EU he was right and to acknoledge that his Rivers of Blood Speach was grotesquely misrepresented by the plitical establishment. i hope one day a figure of political significance in this country will have the guts to say that.

kernow

(A) In reverse order. Stringing up! If thugs knew they'd be strung up if they went around killing people for a laugh! It wouldn't be long before this increasingly popular hobby ceased being attractive!

(B) Ever since the early sixties, when "free Love", smoking marijuana and rebelling against authority became the norm! When long haired bearded, T shirted, jeans and sandal wearing teachers told their school pupils to call them "Dave" not Mr. When the lovely word "Gay" was taken over by people with an abnormal sexual preference! When Prisons where no longer feared for their harsh regimes, but were turned into sanitised living accommodation, being attractive places to live with all mod cons provided, along with the abolishment of Capital and Corporal punishment and last but not least the human rights PC brigade! In my opinion all those things have done a great deal to affect the great downhill slide that has befallen modern society.

kernow

Not John Redwood! He always reminds me of a sly little "
teachers pet " type! John Redwood is supposed to be EUsceptic, when have you ever heard him come out against his own parties stance on the EU?

rjt

Dont actually diasagree with you about much of what you say there regarding prisions which do not serve as a place of punishment, although I was not born in the 60's so was never part of the free love phase but I agree the so called liberlisation legislation under Roy Jenkins has led to untold problems. My teachers never allowed me to call them Dave.

However i dont beleive the death penalty is the answer, we need to reverse some of the trends you have outlined but no decent society should have to stoop to the level of violent retribution.

Dont agree with Corporal punishment either, parents right to smack their children yes.

Too many teachers iwhen I was at Secondary school used the cane because they liked spanking little boys bottoms as opposed to actually using it as a form of discpline, no eviendence it worked either, those who were canned on the monday were norammly lined up outised the head teachers office again by Thursady.

kernow

(A) The Sixties was one of the happiest periods of my live! (I didn't do drugs!)
(B) you went to the wrong school, nobody lined up for a second dose at my school!(53-57) Corporal punishment was one of the main reasons I was so well behaved at school and I think the same went for others as well! At first there were a few (very few) who appeared to ask for it, but even they "grew out of asking for it"! We where well conditioned, because our primary school Head used to cane serious bad behavour. All serious caning (e.g playing up a female teacher) at Secondarey school was carried out by the head teacher in front of all the boys in the school. Slippering was carried out by male teachers in front of the class!

Englishdan

kernow I think you went to the same school I did. The other thing was the teachers had the backing of the parents who had come through a simular system. Complain to your parents about punishment at scool and incurr the wroth of Job.
Today the parents of the kids are undisciplined, they got away with murder at school so believe their kids should do what they like, including the teachers themselves.
I'm afraid we took Dr. Spock too seriously in those far off days.
I was always in trouble at school and became a very rebelious teenager of the time, an angel today. In fact I wrote an autobiography about my first 22 years so my children would know the times I grew up in and what led to my rebelious youth some 84 A4 pages long and they all including my grandchildren and even friends have a copy

Tara

Totally agree, only this morning on the news they were saying the reason young kids are causing trouble while drunk is the result of family breakdown. Around 1960 this country was taken over by a bunch of Marxist liberals hell bent on destroying our nation and 50 years later what do we have? A fractured society in chaos that has left most of us deeply confused and unhappy. Now we have a situation whereby 43% of children are born outside marriage, children need to be aware of their family and cultural roots and they need patriarchal discipline to grow into well adjusted adults, things can only get worse.