kernow

Agreed the Aboriginals like the American Indians were treated appallingly, but you can't expect John Howard to apologize for something which didn't happen on his watch! As for flogging, Joe Public would benefit if a few present day criminals had a drop of that!

TonyG

Send them to Iran, if the flogging doesn't work there they hang them in public from lampposts or cranes - is that what you would want?

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rjt

As regards the Aborignals I agree with your sentiments, this apoligisng for events of the past which us living in the present day have no control over is rather futile, e.g all the business about the slave trade in this country.

If John Howard did want to apoligise for something he could apoligise for his part in the Iraq War but I shouldnt think that he will. However despite his role in it unlike Bush and Blair I like the man because he is a straight talking guy not in anyway affected by the forces of PC.

John Welch

The final Aboriginal child was stolen from its family in 1972, and Howard became MP 2 years later, presumably when numbers of children were still in government custody. That is on his watch. The grieving parents exist today as well as some adult children who described the abuses on TV. Many have no known relatives, by govt. policy. Germany apologised, but not Union Jack Australia. How does HM feel? (as a rhetorical q.).
It's not me who wants to decide what British culture is, but previous posters.
But culture is not fixed, otherwise you would still have naval flogging. Female votes only came by outrageous subversion, like trade unions. Ethnic cultures are just another population element. (And Muslim female restraint, belief in a god and flogging, have an ironically Victorian Britain attitude).

rjt

Persumably the Australian people will vote him out at the next Election if they are that bothered that he has not apoligised then.

John Welch

Presumably and probably. His opinions are rejected by the majority now.

rjt

Well that will of course be a decision for the Australian people and as a democrat I always respect the decision of the electorate.

My view is that Australia would be mad to get rid of such a plain speaking no nonsense guy in contrast to his predecesor the ghastly Paul Keating.

John Welch

Keating was the first pollie to publicly declare to Aboriginals that murder had occurred. But not quite an apology. The quotes at the start of this thread do not exactly claim that JH said all that is written there. It feels a bit "put-up", without sources.

kernow

You'd prefer the soft approach that has been used in this Country over the past 40 years, which has led the present day situation of law abiding citizens being kicked to death on the streets of Britain for a" laugh"! Hang the perpetrators of this crime on live TV no matter what there age, and broadcast "This will be the fate of all others who partake in such crimes of violence against others"! I would guarantee this would end overnight 90% of violent crimes against people in this Country!

rjt

That sounds worryingly like something resembling an Islamic state. We will never tackle crime effectively till we recognise our society is broken and take steps to fix it.

Simply declaring hang em and Flog em wont work.

Our society is sick, fortantely there might just be a Dcotor on the Horrizion who may be able to offer treatment.

I think its good that you are prepared to put forward your views in this debate and hope you reflect them in your vote at the Next General Election, all voices must be heard.