Should we continue to build on flood plains?

mkpdavies · 24-07-2007, 06:08 PM

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Instead of building on flood plains, which is obviously short-term and unwise, we need to heavily tax multiple house ownership and put a moratorium on immigration.
Jaques Hughes, Reading

If there wasn't pressure for more housing then we wouldn't need to build on flood plains. Why on earth are these facts not being considered? We need additional housing because of massive immigration, not to house the indiginous population. No-one before us built on flood plains because they had common sense! Cover the ground in concrete and the water has nowhere to go - don't expect councils to make provision to prevent flooding. Flood plains are there for a reason. Common sense. No?
Helen Critchell, Cambridge, United Kingdom

the fact that any builder got planning permission to build on a flood plain AT ALL! shows you how corrupt local government can be. we have a huge problem finding land for homes in this country. we have a government who allows millions to cross our borders and settle here without giving a thought to how we are suposed to house them! let alone our own people. perhaps! 'as its the establishment who want to keep our borders open' they should be made to give up the great swathes of land they! own.
patrick mason-green

Etc etc. I wonder how many of these outraged people voted for UKIP or any other party that suggested halting the tide?

Not many I bet.

Millennium3 · 24-07-2007, 07:16 PM

As I have suggested before, if UKIP would accept MMGW and the prospect of increasingly freak weather conditions, as is predicted, they would have a clear, concise and easily understood message that our infrastructure cannot support those already here, let alone in worsening conditions. This would provide a powerful arguement for leaving the EU to escape an immigration policy which allows 400k + economic migrants to settle here if they so choose.

Instead they continue to gripe about the periphery which has proven not to capture the public's imagination, whereas being unprepared for climate change coupled to an increasing population might.

Millennium3 · 24-07-2007, 07:39 PM

The above should read 400m + economic migrants

steve fowler · 24-07-2007, 09:41 PM

How dare this corrupt goverment build houses for people who shouldnt be in the uk any way!.
When will the public wake and stop voting for partys that dont care about them and just screw us over.

kernow · 24-07-2007, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by steve fowler

How dare this corrupt goverment build houses for people who shouldnt be in the uk any way!.
When will the public wake and stop voting for partys that dont care about them and just screw us over.

All the people I talk to nowadays about politics, their biggest concern is immigration, I think the BNP has stolen the march on UKIP over this issue! They just do not connect the EU with immigration!

mkpdavies · 25-07-2007, 07:53 AM

Scaring people with voodoo might be some peoples idea of winning an argument, I tend to like to leave that to the corrupt.

There are plenty of solid reasons for controling immigration, using the one stop scare shop of MMGW will prove counter productive in the end.

Millennium3 · 25-07-2007, 08:35 AM

Put the telescope to the other eye Matt!

TonyG · 25-07-2007, 08:44 AM

FWIW, I agree with Matt. Opportunistic policy making is something that only sets up problems for the future. UKIP doesn't have an opportunity now because it can't get it's act together.
If, by some fluke, UKIP manages to get a decent leadership together with coherent policies and an effective means of communicating them, the last thing they want is to set up a minefield for a few years down the line.
Far better to sit on the fence than try and use something that might provide a short-term gain when there are no short-term possibilities.
Climate change is not going to be much of an issue in the European elections and if UKIP do get some success (and it is a very big IF!) then nothing will be lost even if the MMGW lobby do make some scientific breakthroughs - unlikely, but hey, anything is possible.

As for other electoral arenas, UKIP are about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.

mkpdavies · 25-07-2007, 08:45 AM

I don't need a telescope to see the obvious. The hysterical attemps to blame MMGW for everything now by some is ridiculous beyond the extreme.

g hall · 26-07-2007, 09:43 AM

We always need a scapegoat and the use of MMGW is a great opportunity for the control freaks and tax gatherers

25-07-2007, 07:53 AM	#6 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Scaring people with voodoo might be some peoples idea of winning an argument, I tend to like to leave that to the corrupt. There are plenty of solid reasons for controling immigration, using the one stop scare shop of MMGW will prove counter productive in the end. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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TonyG Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,589	FWIW, I agree with Matt. Opportunistic policy making is something that only sets up problems for the future. UKIP doesn't have an opportunity now because it can't get it's act together. If, by some fluke, UKIP manages to get a decent leadership together with coherent policies and an effective means of communicating them, the last thing they want is to set up a minefield for a few years down the line. Far better to sit on the fence than try and use something that might provide a short-term gain when there are no short-term possibilities. Climate change is not going to be much of an issue in the European elections and if UKIP do get some success (and it is a very big IF!) then nothing will be lost even if the MMGW lobby do make some scientific breakthroughs - unlikely, but hey, anything is possible. As for other electoral arenas, UKIP are about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit. __________________ If you don't think you can change the world, who do you expect to do it for you? ---- http://www.mercola.com/townofallopat...ofallopath.htm

25-07-2007, 08:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I don't need a telescope to see the obvious. The hysterical attemps to blame MMGW for everything now by some is ridiculous beyond the extreme. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

26-07-2007, 09:43 AM	#10 (permalink)
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24-07-2007, 07:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,212	As I have suggested before, if UKIP would accept MMGW and the prospect of increasingly freak weather conditions, as is predicted, they would have a clear, concise and easily understood message that our infrastructure cannot support those already here, let alone in worsening conditions. This would provide a powerful arguement for leaving the EU to escape an immigration policy which allows 400k + economic migrants to settle here if they so choose. Instead they continue to gripe about the periphery which has proven not to capture the public's imagination, whereas being unprepared for climate change coupled to an increasing population might.

24-07-2007, 07:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,212	The above should read 400m + economic migrants

24-07-2007, 09:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
steve fowler Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 1,201 Party: UKIP	How dare this corrupt goverment build houses for people who shouldnt be in the uk any way!. When will the public wake and stop voting for partys that dont care about them and just screw us over.

25-07-2007, 08:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,212	Put the telescope to the other eye Matt!