Well-known Conservative MP warns of "profound changes to UK society" from immigration

Britannist · 17-07-2007, 05:07 PM

The Conservative MP Nicholas Soames - regarded as a moderate - has called for immigration levels to be cut "to avoid profound changes in British society."

According to the BBC Mr. Soames "warned that there were dangerous shoals ahead unless the UK took action."

The BBC reported that the Government claims it its "phasing out low-skilled immigration from countries outside europe."

* Mr. Soames is thought to be pro-EU and he did not, apparently, refer in his remarks to the fact that the UK can't stop over 400 million people from 26 other EU nations coming to and staying in the UK if they want to.

Source of the above quote of Mr. Soames: BBC 1 Television Ceefax, analogue page 106, 17.7.2007 at 6.07 pm.

Independence Now! · 21-07-2007, 04:45 PM

The warning signs were there long ago. Why didn't the Conservative Party take decisive action on this issue when they were last in government?

Millennium3 · 21-07-2007, 05:53 PM

Is it any wonder that the BNP seem to be making progress?

British Dissident · 22-07-2007, 08:39 AM

But like all Tories he is cynical and self-serving.

This statement is mainly for internal Tory consumption, probably to shore up the moral of the dwindiling number of demoralised activists. Could be he is positioning himself to capitalise on Cameron's possible demise.

Those "profound changes" he refers to have already taken place - mostly under Conservative governments! Many parts of our cities are de facto foreign lands.

And even if all immigration ceased tomorrow and every asylum seeker deported overnight, Britain would still have a population of around seven million people of non-European origin. Due to their higher birth rate and the increasing levels of miscegenation, the indigenous British population would still become a minority in their own country sometime this century. How many conservatives who proclaim themselves ‘patriots’ have had the courage to even mention this, much less propose a solution?

Independence Now! · 22-07-2007, 06:51 PM

Indeed. Enoch Powell said all this would happen in 1968. What was his reward from the CONServative Party for stating the bleeding obvious and being a patriot? Edward Heath sacking him from the Shadow Cabinet! Now, because of so many false promises made by the Tories to control immigration properly in the past, when they do come-out with a 'Right-wing' sounding promise on the subject hardly anyone believes them which is one of the reasons Michael Howard didn't make a great deal of progress in 2005's general election. Hence, the Conservative Party's current difficulties. If they go to the 'Right' it doesn't improve their fortunes because so many genuienly 'Right-wing' voters don't believe the conversion and if they go to the 'centre' people don't vote for them either because they would prefer the originals of Labour and Lib Dem to the Tory copy.

rjt · 23-07-2007, 08:12 AM

One of the things Powell predicted was the creation of pocket communitys of ehtnic minoritys living a lifestyle detatched from Brisitsh Culture and values.

Essesntially this helps explain the divisive nature of British Society today, everything that was good has been stripped away in the name of multi-culutralism, a concept which is completly incoherent.

But Mr Soames misses a key point, it is not all about quanitiy of imigrants seeking access to this country, imortant htough that is. We have totally neglected intergration and succesive Government must take the blame for this.

Independence Now! · 23-07-2007, 03:50 PM

Those 'pocket communities' were inevitable as soon as the Establishment decided it wasn't going to listen to the British people and control immigration properly.

crac · 30-07-2007, 03:11 PM

Everyone who has a pair of eyes would have to acknowledge that there is a very real and valid basis for any indigenous member of any country who found themselves facing these likely changes in their country and their culture to be alarmed and concerned on how it was going to impact on the things that they value their quality of life, their joy, their happiness, their sense of comfort and being at home with the things they know and understand. This is culture all these feelings and values. People have every right to be concerned that they feel uncomfortable with these changes and to ask the question, is this good for the country, and don't i have a say in it, after all i've lived here all my life.

Zak64 · 05-08-2007, 10:44 AM

Excellent article on immigration here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...-mostviewedbox

kernow · 05-08-2007, 11:05 PM

Without a doubt immigration has become a talking point on the street more so than anything else. Our political leaders from all parties appear to have their heads stuck in the sand, just hoping upon hope the problem will solve itself! I can see in the not too distant future if our Government does nothing worthwhile to solve this problem, then something will happen to light the fuse and all hell will break loose!

17-07-2007, 05:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Well-known Conservative MP warns of "profound changes to UK society" from immigration The Conservative MP Nicholas Soames - regarded as a moderate - has called for immigration levels to be cut "to avoid profound changes in British society." According to the BBC Mr. Soames "warned that there were dangerous shoals ahead unless the UK took action." The BBC reported that the Government claims it its "phasing out low-skilled immigration from countries outside europe." * Mr. Soames is thought to be pro-EU and he did not, apparently, refer in his remarks to the fact that the UK can't stop over 400 million people from 26 other EU nations coming to and staying in the UK if they want to. Source of the above quote of Mr. Soames: BBC 1 Television Ceefax, analogue page 106, 17.7.2007 at 6.07 pm.

30-07-2007, 03:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
crac Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 126	very worrying trends. Everyone who has a pair of eyes would have to acknowledge that there is a very real and valid basis for any indigenous member of any country who found themselves facing these likely changes in their country and their culture to be alarmed and concerned on how it was going to impact on the things that they value their quality of life, their joy, their happiness, their sense of comfort and being at home with the things they know and understand. This is culture all these feelings and values. People have every right to be concerned that they feel uncomfortable with these changes and to ask the question, is this good for the country, and don't i have a say in it, after all i've lived here all my life.

05-08-2007, 10:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
Zak64 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Poland On Sea (Bournemouth) Posts: 693	Excellent article on immigration here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...-mostviewedbox __________________ If anyone complains about unlimited mass immigration we call them a racist - it's our culture!

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21-07-2007, 04:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Independence Now! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,096	The warning signs were there long ago. Why didn't the Conservative Party take decisive action on this issue when they were last in government?

21-07-2007, 05:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,179	Is it any wonder that the BNP seem to be making progress?

22-07-2007, 08:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
British Dissident Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 33	But like all Tories he is cynical and self-serving. This statement is mainly for internal Tory consumption, probably to shore up the moral of the dwindiling number of demoralised activists. Could be he is positioning himself to capitalise on Cameron's possible demise. Those "profound changes" he refers to have already taken place - mostly under Conservative governments! Many parts of our cities are de facto foreign lands. And even if all immigration ceased tomorrow and every asylum seeker deported overnight, Britain would still have a population of around seven million people of non-European origin. Due to their higher birth rate and the increasing levels of miscegenation, the indigenous British population would still become a minority in their own country sometime this century. How many conservatives who proclaim themselves ‘patriots’ have had the courage to even mention this, much less propose a solution?

22-07-2007, 06:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
Independence Now! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,096	Indeed. Enoch Powell said all this would happen in 1968. What was his reward from the CONServative Party for stating the bleeding obvious and being a patriot? Edward Heath sacking him from the Shadow Cabinet! Now, because of so many false promises made by the Tories to control immigration properly in the past, when they do come-out with a 'Right-wing' sounding promise on the subject hardly anyone believes them which is one of the reasons Michael Howard didn't make a great deal of progress in 2005's general election. Hence, the Conservative Party's current difficulties. If they go to the 'Right' it doesn't improve their fortunes because so many genuienly 'Right-wing' voters don't believe the conversion and if they go to the 'centre' people don't vote for them either because they would prefer the originals of Labour and Lib Dem to the Tory copy.

23-07-2007, 08:12 AM	#6 (permalink)
rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,292	One of the things Powell predicted was the creation of pocket communitys of ehtnic minoritys living a lifestyle detatched from Brisitsh Culture and values. Essesntially this helps explain the divisive nature of British Society today, everything that was good has been stripped away in the name of multi-culutralism, a concept which is completly incoherent. But Mr Soames misses a key point, it is not all about quanitiy of imigrants seeking access to this country, imortant htough that is. We have totally neglected intergration and succesive Government must take the blame for this.

23-07-2007, 03:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
Independence Now! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,096	Those 'pocket communities' were inevitable as soon as the Establishment decided it wasn't going to listen to the British people and control immigration properly.

05-08-2007, 11:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 4,996	Without a doubt immigration has become a talking point on the street more so than anything else. Our political leaders from all parties appear to have their heads stuck in the sand, just hoping upon hope the problem will solve itself! I can see in the not too distant future if our Government does nothing worthwhile to solve this problem, then something will happen to light the fuse and all hell will break loose!