Aardvark

andypandy, Some of the points you are making are irrelevant. Race and religion are not the same. Black African Christians are also having lots of children and in many parts of London it is black Christian churches that provide the bulwark against Islam since most of us white Brit types don't go to church any more.

I trust, andypandy, that you are married within an endogamous relationship and have produced at least 3 children, otherwise there is little point you commenting on the birth rates of others.

Foreign born can include Canadians of Brit extraction or Germans or Norwegians. A foreign born mother doesn't exclude an English father. I'm sure chikrodah won't mind me mentioning that her mother is German, but her father was a Brit. chikrodah is English born and has 4 children with pure British parentage on the paternal side. I'm not sure where that puts the figures - all the children are born and bred in England, speak English and behave like any other English children, but have one German grandparent.

A friend of mine has just joined UKIP, his wife, part native American, is Canadian born so his daughter is one of those born to a foreign mother, but looks and behaves just like any other Brit.

Nigel Farage is married to a foreign born wife (German) and he likes a bit of Latvian on the side. Would you,andypandy, rail against any children of his relationships.

My daughter has just given birth a few weeks ago. She was born when my wife and I were living in Germany (I was an officer in the Royal Air Force at the time). My wife and I are proper Brits, but my daughter classes as a foreign born mother. Do you, andypandy, object to my daughter having a baby in her parent's native land just because she was born in Germany?

Of course my younger brother has buggered up Germany's figures by living there and fathering a child by a former Vietnamese boat person! She is foreign born to Germany and defies your strange logic, andypandy, by being a person of ethnic origin having a child by a white Brit (one to us don't you think - prat?). :roll:

My older brother has fathered a child, again in Germany, by a girl who is half-Dutch, half-German - so one of her parents was foreign born, but in Germany!

The problem about bandying about raw statistics is that they don't give a true picture. There has always been a little miscegenation in our country and a few mixed race Brits is neither here nor there.

The other figure that the government is not keeping is the number of these children and parents who move back to their home countries after their work contracts have come to an end. It might well be that the bulk of the east Europeans, when they've earned the cash they need to return home as homeowners or businessmen, will do just that. I have met many immigrants who fully intend to earn the money for the next stage of their lives and then go home - a Polish friend earned the money to pay for his marriage and a Portuguese I worked with was saving every penny to buy the restaurant in his home seaside village. They're long gone.

The key issues, IMHO, are non-assimilation of ethnic groups who are indeed endogamous (there is a real problem with inbred Pakistani Muslims in some parts of the UK) and mass migration which leads to a watering down of our culture and places unnecessary strains on our infrastructure. Proper controls, work permits, visas etc worked before and could do so again.

claire stone

No way will they. Over here he would end up in Court!

andypandy

Aardvark...prat? Perhaps it takes on to know one and, what ever happened to not being allowed to use personal abuse on this site? Clearly the word prat .. a word aardvark knows a lot about, is one that is the exception to the rule.

As for this person married to this or that other European, is self evidently irrelevent between those of north European stock. The point I was making, which still stands despite your feeble attempts to suggest otherwise, is that women in the West are largely responsible for the rise in multi-culturalism and multi-racial relationships, not just within the UK but within specifically those of protestant, north European, nations.

The news today, revealing that a white WOMAN complained about the presence of golly wogs in a shop in Wigan, that resulted in the Police turning up, taking photos of the "offending" items, and then confiscating the said articles because they'insulted' her black BOYfriend. This is not the exception, this is the norm.

Where you find national betrayal in the West there is a modern irreligious woman, lurking there in the background, incapable as they are of national selflessness choosing to sacrifice only to their own personal or family interests, unlike men, that have had "duty and "responsibility" stuffed down their throats for millenia beyond their personal needs, as they marched in their millions to the gates of hell in protection of their 'womenfolk'.

As for the "one for us" comment - one for us what, exactly? You think that someone from Britain producing a mixed race child is something to boast about? Children born to such relationships are invariably torn between culture, languages, religions - worlds in fact, as currently identified in a BBC radio series. They are the act of gross selfishness and social negligence, which contribute sweet FA to the integrity of any social structure. They are neither desirable nor necessary for ANY culture, anywhere on the planet, let alone for us feeble child-producing, western whiteys.

Is it little wonder that one of the world's most successful national groups, the Jews, are amongst the world's least 'mixed' communities, any where in the world, no matter where they are globally, no matter what community they live within, they ..now what is that word..oh yes.."stick together".

Britannist

It's harder for the Dutch metro-'elite' pro-multi-culti leftists to try to get Mr. Wilders prosecuted for telling the truth because - thanks to the particular type of proportional voting system in the Netherlands and rising support for Mr. Wilders among the Dutch people - he is a member of Parliament.

The Dutch metro-leftist pro-multi-culti brigade - most of whom live about as far away from immigrant areas as they can get - are a bit scared of the bad publicity they would get by taking on a popular elected politician such as Mr. Wilders.

Aardvark

andypandy, I apologise for calling you a prat. I would have thought that anybody reading your latest post would certainly not think of you as a complete prat. :wink:

"national betrayal" - falling in love with someone of a different race or colour.

You say, talking of my niece,

Presumably you think the same of chikrodah, unless the Aryan mother is okay?

So someone calling you a prat is offensive, but describing my niece in such terms will not cause any hurt whatsoever. What would you, andypandy, do with my undesirable and unnecessary niece? Gas chamber, sterilisation, leper colony for half-castes?

andypandy, are you married to a white Brit and do you have 3 or more children?

The Jews are no more or less mixed than most other 'racial' groups. I've met lots of people who are part-Jewish. I think you are making up a fact to suit your argument.

andypandy

Jews are not a mixed race in law, neither do they see themselves specifically as a mixed race, since Jewish heritage is defined largely maternally. Even I have in the distant past, a Jewish ancestor, but I do not remotely see myself as 'part-Jewish' as such a definition does not come within that group's own self-interpretation.

As for personal instances of multi-culturalism, there is nothing that can or should be done about that, what is, is. The same would apply presumably to those born as the result of incest, rape or any other sociallly, or illegal, undesirable births.

What I attack is the modus operandi of those involved in the pursuit of self-interest over and above that of the greater host community in which we live, as within the rest of the natural world, nature dictates that we should follow pursuits beneficial to the larger biological population.

Mankind progresses over thousands of years through its varied populations, to a point of environmental specialisation, only to find the free-thinking individual can assume the right to screw up time honoured practises for personal reasons.

We are who we are as individuals due to the overall actions of the wider community in which we were born and bred. We are pieces in a jigsaw and should never assume we have the right to change to rules of play as and when it suits our self-interest.

Multi-culturalism, like global capitalism are prime examples of individual selfishness, that is my opinion.

Rich C

Nice one.

I've thought that for a long time (about to go off on a tangent warning)... Multi-culturalism is a vehicle for egotistical career politicians to enslave others to the same discourse which enriches them, just as global capitalism enslaves millions and enriches the few at the top. (I'm not a bearded lefty just in case you're worrying, I actually very much appreciate capitalism... It's only been able to get to the dominating position its in now due to collusion with governments and their policies which include multiculturalism)... I'll start another thread about this or something...

BACK TO THE POINT... I think this guy is brave to say what he's said but I also think that pursuing opposition to what has been described as the 'Islamification of Europe' is a foolish idea. What we should be doing is opposing PC multicultural playmaking politicians in general. I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't actively oppose 'Islamification' but, in my opinion, that will cause a lot more trouble in both the short and long term than it's worth.

I'll be sticking to the point and opposing multiculturalism. I won't be engaging in campaigns that wittingly or unwittingly victimise the followers of a religion which simply hands ammunition to the purveyors of PC policies. They want religious groups (especially Islam) to feel persecuted so I do fear that by following Mr Wilders sentiments people are simply playing into their hands and giving them more of a reason to push through 'Islamifying' policy.

22ANDUK

Hmm, so people who are mixed-race have no use, value or role in British society?

andypandy

Mixed race people in the current arena of mass emigration and the multi-culturalisation of the UK are a contributory factor in the demise of a national identity, they do nothing to re-inforce any concept of a national identity that does not include them, and are thus exponents of change, not the guardians of tradition. Mixed race families are, like the EU, sympomatic of globalisation and serve a greater goal of the demise of the national state, and its replacement by a universal mass identity under a common and single banner.

Take away the issue of mass emigration and international political unions, and I doubt on a small scale they (mixed race families) would make any relevent difference. But as part of a 60 year plan to erode the basis of national identity through demographic change, then I regard the promotion of them as a threat.

C_steam

what plan? Evidence please (and don't post some reference to something that appeared on stormfront................)