Hartlepool

I was just sat here wondering what would be the result of Scotland leaving the Union and becoming independent and with England leaving the Communist EU.

Being as Scotland would be bedded down in the Communist European Union from day 2 would this England be able to repatriate all Scots who have shown continuous and maliscious damage to the Union and especially to England?

It must be something for discussion prior to any changes in the present set-up I think.

mkpdavies

Britain would be thrown into chaos and the EU would move in for the kill.

End of story.

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brian pearson

Exactly. I think the lure of vast sums of EU money is starting to turn your average Scot. For christ sake, what the British are willing to destroy.

rjt

Nothing like being scared of self detrimination is there!

Let the people of Scotland decide if they wish to leave the Union, Wlaes and Northern Ireland can do the same.

All the while the union remains the people of England are constantly discriminated against.

Are you afraid of peoples right to choice?

SGK

When that choice is largely determined by propoganda and false information, yes. The anti-Scotland arguments, particularly those from English Democrat supports on this forum, are as misguided as the anti-English arguments some pro-independence Scots have been using for years. (Most of the ED supports are also not interested in debate here, only pushing their cause, so it doesn't matter how often they are proved wrong).
I have nothing against independence per sé, but at the moment the ED sort of argument is based on untruths and misdirection and the SNP side is influenced by a deceptively benign EU playing kind and generous alternative.

SGK

Hartlepool, first and foremost there is a myth that has come from somewhere - I'm assuming the pro-independence groups who have never let truth get in their way - that the break up of the UK will have some effect on the treaties we have with the EU, to the degree that the resulting nations will no longer be a part of it.
There is no evidence for this, no precedence, no reason. The treaties were signed by the Queen's representative in her name, at which point both representative and monarch spoke for the people. The people won't change, the lands won't change and even the monarch is unlikely to change.
Even if the monarch and representative changed, the new, smaller country would be considered a successor state to the treaty. There is no way that the treaty would be considered void through a break up of the UK.
It is time for sensible people everywhere to ditch this rubbish.

So, let's say Scotland did end its union with the rest of the UK. The two countries would still be in the EU. Free movement would still be allowed, as would be the right to work and own property etc etc. We can expect all the priveliges granted to Ireland (Southern) to be granted to Scotland.
Border controls would be kept as they are with none between Scotland and England.
The disparity of subsidy that the EDs moan so loudly about would continue, except it would go through the EU not Westminster. Just as Ireland has a heavily subsidised economy from EU coffers, Scotland would benefit accordingly. And where does that money come from?
It is quite possible that the net contribution from England to Scotland after English and Scottish separation could go UP! You don't hear that from the EDs.
So to all intents and purposes, everyday life would not change much.
The differences would be subtle, sometimes abstract, and actually more disturbing. Scotland would be able to make certain decisions independent of England (naturally).
Given that almost all areas of politics are governed by the EU, which is slowly getting tighter and more restrictive, the primary thing that Scotland could do is push ahead with integration quicker than England.
As we have seen Ireland take the euro and switch to metric, so would Scotland, in return for the EU bearing gifts.
Scotland has a proud military heritage, but would it be able to afford it alone? How tempting would the 'common defence' offers be? A Scottish army integrated into the EU command structure on the English doorstep.
Of course, the UK establishment has always wanted to progress with the great EU project more than its people and this will just be another reason to push it on us all. 'Look, the Scots have km signs, it's not so bad', 'The Scots have the euro and are doing alright', 'The Scottish regiment under French command has successfully completed humanitarian duties to Portugal after the EU replaced their wicked government, we should join in'.
Etc etc etc etc etc...........

rjt

Glad to hear you have nothing against independence, what you are against is letting people choose, if arguments put forward by the ED party are false then have confidence people will see them to be false and let people make up there own minds.

mkpdavies

Another false argument from rjt.

You make a very good EU Subversive Party member! Who trained you guys? Richard Corbett?

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rjt

This from the party of Godfrey Bloom!

mkpdavies

For all his faults, probably the least subversive human being on the planet.

Typical EU Subersive Party, no coherent argument or startegy. No answers, just attacks on UKIP, no credibility, no idea.

I don't know why I bother with you. In fact, I'm not going to anymore.

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