10% of east european workers in UK on benefits says Farage

Britannist · 28-11-2006, 07:13 PM

Nigel Farage said on ‘The Record Europe’ on BBC News 24 Television at 5.53 am on 26.11.2006 “Over 10% of the more than half a million signed on to the Workers Registration Scheme in the UK are claiming social security. I am not against people working in other nations but we should do it as the USA does it – by issuing work permits. We should have British law controlling our borders. We now have a massive imbalance and migratory flow pressures from poor EU nations such as Romania. The pressures will grow to a point where the British people will say enough is enough. After one year of working in the UK eastern europeans have untrammelled access to our social security.”

Jean Lambert, the Green Party member of the EU ‘Parliament’ for London snapped “No they don’t.” Mr. Farage rightly insisted that after twelve months eastern europeans can get social security in the UK and that was pretty close, he said, to “untrammelled access.” Lambert, sounding angry that her misguided claims were being challenged said that a committee in the House of Lords had said eastern europeans were helping the economy of the UK.

harryaldridge · 29-11-2006, 08:47 AM

The problem is Greens are led by heart and not mind. They generally have no grasp of concepts of the real world but would rather dream of a utopia (theirs, not mine i might add!).

Their long standing policy is to put up taxes on the rich to something like 65% and hand out a 'citizens income' equal to the poverty line (something like £10kpa.). They seem completely oblivious to the fact that the rich will stop working and move aborad, cutting tax revenue, and that handing out £10k while curbing 'luxuries' of material products will mean people will jsut stop working. The economy will collapse.

Still if tree-huggers in sandals want to vote for them then they deserve the consequences.

P.s. I saw the programme and thought Nigel did a good job and making Lambert look stupid. It is a shame the programme is not shown on a main channel (BBC 1 or BBC 2) at the same time. It would likely get a slghtly higher viewing figure. Maybe worth lobbying the BBC, who might just oblige seeing as it a 'balanced' programme.

mkpdavies · 29-11-2006, 08:55 AM

I didn't realise that if they do work, then they get full access to every benefit and tax credit that a Brit is entitled too.

So the minimum wage they get, is suplemented by child benefits, working tax credits etc etc.

I find it very hard to see how this is net positive to the country at all. It is just another load of state reliant future Labour voters, as planned.

harryaldridge · 29-11-2006, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I didn't realise that if they do work, then they get full access to every benefit and tax credit that a Brit is entitled too.

So the minimum wage they get, is suplemented by child benefits, working tax credits etc etc.

Yes. Yet again this has been hidden by ministers who say immigrants are only entitled to benefits after being here 1 year. They dont mention this only applies if they are not in work, and that if they are in work they are entitled to tax credits etc immediately.

SO even immigrants here who are working, might be earning £15k but having their tax liability wiped out due to tax credits. Then they use our services, educationad and NHS, and so are a net drain. If this is the case than what is the 'break even' point? i dread to think.

And i suppose it is entirely possible for immigrants to earn £6k for example, get tax credits on top and have a negative tax liability. This would mena that refunable tax credits (credits that do not require a tax liabiltiy to apply) can actually pay out to immigrants.

The immigrant then goes back to Poland or wherever, with earning of £xk + tax credit of £xk. And is a MAJOR DRAIN ON THE TAXPAYER

Now i am getting very veyr angry!

mkpdavies · 29-11-2006, 01:27 PM

Who can blame them though. It's us mugs who subsidise all these Labour voting schemes that should be getting mad, but with the disgusting LibLabCon Socialist alliance, who are creating a neo communist superstate.

Britain is getting the worst of both worlds.

High tax, **** service, overcrowding, high house prices, rationing of resources, low wages, subsiding the world etc etc

Our own government have sold us out and set us up for a life of poverty under a new soviet system.

brian pearson · 29-11-2006, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I didn't realise that if they do work, then they get full access to every benefit and tax credit that a Brit is entitled too.

So the minimum wage they get, is suplemented by child benefits, working tax credits etc etc.

I find it very hard to see how this is net positive to the country at all. It is just another load of state reliant future Labour voters, as planned.

BLOODY HELL. I never realised this. And if people who occasionally frequent forums such as this don't, then chance is that the rest of the population don't. Is this really correct ?

mkpdavies · 29-11-2006, 02:34 PM

http://www.express.co.uk/have_your_s...ry.html?sku=49

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Some 55,000 East Europeans who have flooded into Britain to work are getting millions of pounds a year in benefits.

More than one in 10 Poles, Lithuanians and others are receiving state handouts including child benefit, jobseeker’s allowance and pension credits.

Robin · 29-11-2006, 04:15 PM

Remember;

We dont need migrant workers to come to our country.
We need them even less if they claim any benefits, or are criminals.

And;

They cannot pay their way even if they pay all taxes and never use any of our services, go home on retirement and dont commit crimes.
They are an even bigger drain if they do claim benefits, use services, retire here or comit crimes.

brian pearson · 29-11-2006, 05:57 PM

I have never thought the argument need get as far as net worth etc. We are full up ! I did understand however that no benefits could be claimed.

I feel that all I am worth to this country is to subsidise big business and layabouts.

Independence Now! · 06-12-2006, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harryaldridge

The problem is Greens are led by heart and not mind. They generally have no grasp of concepts of the real world but would rather dream of a utopia (theirs, not mine i might add!).

Their long standing policy is to put up taxes on the rich to something like 65% and hand out a 'citizens income' equal to the poverty line (something like £10kpa.). They seem completely oblivious to the fact that the rich will stop working and move aborad, cutting tax revenue, and that handing out £10k while curbing 'luxuries' of material products will mean people will jsut stop working. The economy will collapse.

Still if tree-huggers in sandals want to vote for them then they deserve the consequences.

P.s. I saw the programme and thought Nigel did a good job and making Lambert look stupid. It is a shame the programme is not shown on a main channel (BBC 1 or BBC 2) at the same time. It would likely get a slghtly higher viewing figure. Maybe worth lobbying the BBC, who might just oblige seeing as it a 'balanced' programme.

The Green Party also don't realise that mass immigration is making Britain an even more overcrowded country and is one of the main driving forces for the destruction of the Green Belts for more housing, pressure for more road building ect. If they were genuinely concerned about the enviroment they would take this factor into account and have a very tough immigration/asylum policy but then they are the 'watermelon' party ie green on the outside and red on the inside.

28-11-2006, 07:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	10% of east european workers in UK on benefits says Farage Nigel Farage said on ‘The Record Europe’ on BBC News 24 Television at 5.53 am on 26.11.2006 “Over 10% of the more than half a million signed on to the Workers Registration Scheme in the UK are claiming social security. I am not against people working in other nations but we should do it as the USA does it – by issuing work permits. We should have British law controlling our borders. We now have a massive imbalance and migratory flow pressures from poor EU nations such as Romania. The pressures will grow to a point where the British people will say enough is enough. After one year of working in the UK eastern europeans have untrammelled access to our social security.” Jean Lambert, the Green Party member of the EU ‘Parliament’ for London snapped “No they don’t.” Mr. Farage rightly insisted that after twelve months eastern europeans can get social security in the UK and that was pretty close, he said, to “untrammelled access.” Lambert, sounding angry that her misguided claims were being challenged said that a committee in the House of Lords had said eastern europeans were helping the economy of the UK.

29-11-2006, 08:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I didn't realise that if they do work, then they get full access to every benefit and tax credit that a Brit is entitled too. So the minimum wage they get, is suplemented by child benefits, working tax credits etc etc. I find it very hard to see how this is net positive to the country at all. It is just another load of state reliant future Labour voters, as planned. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

29-11-2006, 01:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Who can blame them though. It's us mugs who subsidise all these Labour voting schemes that should be getting mad, but with the disgusting LibLabCon Socialist alliance, who are creating a neo communist superstate. Britain is getting the worst of both worlds. High tax, **** service, overcrowding, high house prices, rationing of resources, low wages, subsiding the world etc etc Our own government have sold us out and set us up for a life of poverty under a new soviet system. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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29-11-2006, 08:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
harryaldridge Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Sussex Posts: 1,909	The problem is Greens are led by heart and not mind. They generally have no grasp of concepts of the real world but would rather dream of a utopia (theirs, not mine i might add!). Their long standing policy is to put up taxes on the rich to something like 65% and hand out a 'citizens income' equal to the poverty line (something like £10kpa.). They seem completely oblivious to the fact that the rich will stop working and move aborad, cutting tax revenue, and that handing out £10k while curbing 'luxuries' of material products will mean people will jsut stop working. The economy will collapse. Still if tree-huggers in sandals want to vote for them then they deserve the consequences. P.s. I saw the programme and thought Nigel did a good job and making Lambert look stupid. It is a shame the programme is not shown on a main channel (BBC 1 or BBC 2) at the same time. It would likely get a slghtly higher viewing figure. Maybe worth lobbying the BBC, who might just oblige seeing as it a 'balanced' programme.

29-11-2006, 04:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
Robin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 759	Remember; We dont need migrant workers to come to our country. We need them even less if they claim any benefits, or are criminals. And; They cannot pay their way even if they pay all taxes and never use any of our services, go home on retirement and dont commit crimes. They are an even bigger drain if they do claim benefits, use services, retire here or comit crimes.

29-11-2006, 05:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
brian pearson Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: nottinghanshire Posts: 588	I have never thought the argument need get as far as net worth etc. We are full up ! I did understand however that no benefits could be claimed. I feel that all I am worth to this country is to subsidise big business and layabouts.