Trades Unions in UK begging Polish to come and take our jobs

Robin · 07-11-2006, 10:02 PM

Soddball,

My experience has made me a free marketeer like you, but it has to be fair,and it can be made fair.

I dont see why the British people should pay, pay,pay again and then allow or be made to allow others to come in who aren`t paying,simply take the money and run. Take the money back to their own country even after we`ve send some of ours again via the EU.

I`m not saying the Polish and other migrant workers have any worse or better virtues than the British, but to board a bus and rapidly travel through civilised countries does not denote great strength of character.

Lets face it, when the Eastern Bloc countries were under commie rule our standard of living kept going up. We would probably be better off financially if they were still under a totalitarian system. We dont owe them anything.

If a country rapidly increases its population it needs more housing stock, even if they live 12 to a room. More space is needed.

There are economic ,enviromental and social costs in importing cheap young,mainly male labour into the country.Why should we suffer this upheaval when,by better governance, we could supply our own economical workforce ?

Moving Target · 07-11-2006, 10:34 PM

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The two choices of lowering wages and extending hours to accomodate outsiders coming in hardly seems fair.

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Unfortunately, fairness does not come into it. The rapacity of market forces are the ultimate arbiter.

Fortunately fairness does come into it. Markets quite frequently do not bring about economic efficiency. There is economic benefit in Government intervention where a 'market failure' has taken place.

For example, there is legislation in relation to the forming of monopolies and in terms of 'market inequality' - employment legislation.

B.A.Ware · 08-11-2006, 01:24 AM

An excellent post Moving Target I had seen soddballs blanket assassination of people on welfare and was thinking of an appropriate reply, your post says it all and more one of the best posts I’ve ever seen on this forum well done.

This is so good I had to post it again.

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The Welfare State may look very different today than how Beveridge planned it (but funnily enough as a percentage of GDP, welfare expenditure is lower in the UK than in Poland) - but it's aims were and are noble enough. The issues facing the UK are more complex than a few chavs. To be honest I'd rather ensure dole scroungers and the like are robustly helped into getting off their arses than simply written off as scum. Anyone who's doesn't actually pity these poor f*ckers who have £50 a week to live on, in some dodgy hellhole inner city council estate does in my opinion really need to get out more often.

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There is a view that Polish workers are harder working and they are certainly cheaper. I'm not sure how this has been tested

A point I would like to make here is as the Polish are not entitled to benefits they have to be slaves to there masters otherwise they cannot exist in this country a bit like it was in the work houses,

Britannist · 08-11-2006, 02:53 AM

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I don't agree that immigration is a primary cause of house price rises, since most of those immigrants will be on lower wages, unable to buy, and will rent.

Landlords are buying up properties at a much faster rate in order to rent them out as accommodation for the hundreds of thousands of eastern europeans in the UK. The increased demand for housing from these landlords is pushing up prices (i.e. house price inflation).

Immigration is causing house price rises.

Britannist · 08-11-2006, 02:58 AM

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Brother Scargill's heyday was a good few years after the Winter of Discontent.

Soddball wrote: As I said earlier, I don't remember it. From the footage I've seen since, I think I would have done exactly the same as Thatcher, but harder.

I don't think I need to say anything about Scargill beyond his being an apologist for Stalin. Anyone who says that he wasn't all bad isn't worth listening to on any level.

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I agree with your sentiments regarding Scargill. The defeat of his strike was a great day in British history.

Apart from his revolting political views - he and his supporters needed to be taught a lesson that is democratically elected Governments which should be running this country. Not him and his aggressive supporters.

Britannist · 08-11-2006, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Soddball

Since you have studied their information in such detail, I would be very appreciative if you could furnish me with the relevant investigative material.

It's MigrationWatch who have studied the matter in great detail using skilled researchers and statisticians who tell the truth (unlike the Blair-controlled Home Office).

I've found the quotes you request and (because the report on them is quite long) have posted the information you requested from me into a new thread in this section of the forum. I'm sure you will, nevertheless, still stick to the views you hold about welcoming mass immigration from eastern europe into our crowded land.

You'll be having us all thinking that you're of Polish/eastern european origin if you carry on defending letting in more east europeans on top of the one million we've already got here!!!

:shock:

Readers can get easy access to the thread I refer to through:

http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/view...=149145#149145

Moving Target · 10-11-2006, 12:12 PM

BA Ware

It would appear that Soddball has retired gracefully from the thread.

A good point, you make also that I didn't.

It seems to be perfectly acceptable that whilst profits rise it's acceptable to pay people less, and if they come from other countries depriving their own country of valuable (often highly trained) labour - who gives a monkey's.

Bad for everyone, this has been observed economically before and is termed the "race to the bottom."

PS. Brittanist - my reference to Arthur Scargill was ironic. Strange that Soddball, the great purveyour of literature and the written word that he/she is, didn't pick it up.

Soddball · 10-11-2006, 03:33 PM

I haven't 'retired'. I've been working flat out for the last three days and haven't had the time or energy to respond. Save your patronising tone for someone that wants it. You'll just have to wait for a response.

Moving Target · 11-11-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Soddball

I haven't 'retired'. I've been working flat out for the last three days and haven't had the time or energy to respond. Save your patronising tone for someone that wants it. You'll just have to wait for a response.

Can hardly wait :roll:

Soddball · 20-11-2006, 01:17 PM

Back now after an unbelievably busy ten days. I'll get round to this shortly.

And if you didn't want an answer, why bother posting? Duh.

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07-11-2006, 10:02 PM	#41 (permalink)
Robin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 934	Soddball, My experience has made me a free marketeer like you, but it has to be fair,and it can be made fair. I dont see why the British people should pay, pay,pay again and then allow or be made to allow others to come in who aren`t paying,simply take the money and run. Take the money back to their own country even after we`ve send some of ours again via the EU. I`m not saying the Polish and other migrant workers have any worse or better virtues than the British, but to board a bus and rapidly travel through civilised countries does not denote great strength of character. Lets face it, when the Eastern Bloc countries were under commie rule our standard of living kept going up. We would probably be better off financially if they were still under a totalitarian system. We dont owe them anything. If a country rapidly increases its population it needs more housing stock, even if they live 12 to a room. More space is needed. There are economic ,enviromental and social costs in importing cheap young,mainly male labour into the country.Why should we suffer this upheaval when,by better governance, we could supply our own economical workforce ?

10-11-2006, 12:12 PM	#47 (permalink)
Moving Target Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 53	BA Ware It would appear that Soddball has retired gracefully from the thread. A good point, you make also that I didn't. It seems to be perfectly acceptable that whilst profits rise it's acceptable to pay people less, and if they come from other countries depriving their own country of valuable (often highly trained) labour - who gives a monkey's. Bad for everyone, this has been observed economically before and is termed the "race to the bottom." PS. Brittanist - my reference to Arthur Scargill was ironic. Strange that Soddball, the great purveyour of literature and the written word that he/she is, didn't pick it up.

10-11-2006, 03:33 PM	#48 (permalink)
Soddball Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 272	I haven't 'retired'. I've been working flat out for the last three days and haven't had the time or energy to respond. Save your patronising tone for someone that wants it. You'll just have to wait for a response.

20-11-2006, 01:17 PM	#50 (permalink)
Soddball Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 272	Back now after an unbelievably busy ten days. I'll get round to this shortly. And if you didn't want an answer, why bother posting? Duh.