More in the immigration debate

mkpdavies · 29-08-2006, 08:10 PM

Things like pictures of stereotyped Europeans with begging bowls. That sort of stuff is just offensive to some.

The immigration leaflet scared some people. I had a very bad reaction from people with it. Now I didn't think it was that bad, but the Big EU guy looked ominous and their was just a "nasty" overtone to it.

Remember, it's not us we are trying to win over here, but a public that has been bombarded with PC propaganda for years. They were at the point of thinking the questioning of immigration is nasty/racist/xenophobic. You choose.

As an opening gambit, UKIP can't affort to set of revulsion instincts, even if they are pc induced.

Even now the outlook has changed somewhat, we still have to be clear about what we mean, but sell it the right way. Spin/image/PR/sales, call it what you want. We have to get people through the doors and then we can deprogramme the PC over time.

No lying or decieving like Blair and Cameron , but just being aware of our target audience here, IE everyone!

David Holland · 30-08-2006, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by John Page

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I was speaking to a friend in Bromley and she said that she was concerned about the number of people to the UK but she did not like UKIP's tone on the subject. The right tone could help a lot.

What's wrong with UKIP's tone?

For starters we never say why we want to reduce immigration.
The economic figures can be spun one way or another. However over crowding - which we used to talk about - is hard to argue against.

Ideally we would say produce figures for the number of houses will need to be built under other parties' immigration policies in every area in the South East over the next 10 years. Then we could campaign vote UKIP or have x houses built here.

Secondly we never challenge anyone who calls the party racist (non actionable) to call party MEPs racist - actionable.

John Youles · 30-08-2006, 09:18 AM

The present government's immigration policy allows unchecked right of entry to largely white EU countries, whilst putting controls on non-european countries which are mostly non-white. UKIP's policy is to treat everyone from outside the UK the same.

So the government's immigration policy is racist, UKIP's is non-racist.

John Page · 30-08-2006, 09:23 AM

Yes, I think our tone should be one of rational regret (like Migrationwatch but with a different solution), rather than aggressive slickness.

29-08-2006, 08:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Things like pictures of stereotyped Europeans with begging bowls. That sort of stuff is just offensive to some. The immigration leaflet scared some people. I had a very bad reaction from people with it. Now I didn't think it was that bad, but the Big EU guy looked ominous and their was just a "nasty" overtone to it. Remember, it's not us we are trying to win over here, but a public that has been bombarded with PC propaganda for years. They were at the point of thinking the questioning of immigration is nasty/racist/xenophobic. You choose. As an opening gambit, UKIP can't affort to set of revulsion instincts, even if they are pc induced. Even now the outlook has changed somewhat, we still have to be clear about what we mean, but sell it the right way. Spin/image/PR/sales, call it what you want. We have to get people through the doors and then we can deprogramme the PC over time. No lying or decieving like Blair and Cameron , but just being aware of our target audience here, IE everyone! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

30-08-2006, 09:18 AM	#13 (permalink)
John Youles Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norwich Posts: 154	The present government's immigration policy allows unchecked right of entry to largely white EU countries, whilst putting controls on non-european countries which are mostly non-white. UKIP's policy is to treat everyone from outside the UK the same. So the government's immigration policy is racist, UKIP's is non-racist. __________________ John Youles http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ind-uk/ - the discussion list exclusive to UKIP members.

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30-08-2006, 09:23 AM	#14 (permalink)
John Page Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Welwyn Hatfield (Herts.) Posts: 1,878	Yes, I think our tone should be one of rational regret (like Migrationwatch but with a different solution), rather than aggressive slickness.