Anthony Butcher

All references to immigration should appear in here. We have threads all over the place about immigration, so let's keep it all in one place please.

nyorks-patriot

What happened to my poll on further immigration Anthony?

John Carter

That's a good question Ant. What happens when someone wants to post a poll about immigration if they can only post about the subject in this thread?

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Anthony Butcher

If it was yet another poll/discussion on immigration, then it was probably deleted. There are three moderators on the forum, and I don't know what they delete or edit (although it may have been me in this case!).

We have to set up threads like this every so often to get control of the forum. Otherwise every thread starts to get hijacked for one cause or another (be it the BNP, immigation, culture, anti-Islam, Veritas).

Britannist

MigrationWatch, the independent immigration monitoring service, said on 31.7.2005 that it is likely that the number of illegal immigrants in the UK is about 870, 000 and not the upper estimate given by the government (via the Home Office) in July 2005 in which it was stated that the maximum number was about 570, 000.

The Home Office figures of July 2005 were based on data from the 2001 Census (with the assumption being made that Foreign nationals completed the Census forms). Before the May 2005 General Election, the government of ‘Tony’ B-liar said it did not know how many illegal immigrants were resident in the UK. The Home Office figures do not include births in the families of illegal immigrants since they have been in the UK, Sir Andrew Green, Chairman of MigrationWatch said on 31.7.2005. Sir Andrew’s report pointed out that there could be between 15, 000 – 85, 000 babies born of illegal immigrants in this country. Some illegal immigrants have now been re-classified as EU citizens (following the entry of 8 east european nations INTO phpbb_the EU on 1.5.2005) but Sir Andrew made clear that there are a considerable number of overstayers and clandestine entrants numbering at least 750, 000 people.

The National Audit Office (NAO) has confirmed that asylum seekers whose applications are rejected are being given up to £17, 000 (equivalent to the salary of a nurse) if they have offspring aged under 18. The NAO said in July 2005 that £308 million of British taxpayers’ money is spent in the financial year 2003-4 on 18, 500 illegal immigrants with offspring aged under 18 (£16, 649 each – the starting salary for a nurse, in comparison, is £17, 610 or just £14, 300 for a partly-trained nurse).
The NAO also said that in 2003-4 £3.8 million (£15, 833 each) was spent on 240 ‘illegals’ whose country of origin “was not clear.” Sir Andrew Green of MigrationWatch pointed out that more money was spent in 2003-4 on letting failed asylum seekers remain in the UK than on removing them.
(Source: Daily Express, page 15, 1.8.2005)

lkelly

Charles Clarke, Home Office minister, admitted on 9 July, 2005, that the 'government'/dictatorship has been operating an 'open door' policy.

He said (On SkyNews, I think it was.), as if addressing foreigners, to camera, that he was 'sorry, but I think we are going to have to operate a closed door policy, from now on'!

An 'open door' policy means 'porous borders'. I.e., they will let anyone in! Literally!

We have even given 'asylum' to Al Qaeda members, because they were fleeing the US bombing in Iraq and Afghanistan!

lkelly

Sir Andrew Green of MigrationWatch pointed out that more money was spent in 2003-4 on letting failed asylum seekers remain in the UK than on removing them.
(Source: Daily Express, page 15, 1.8.2005)

This says it all!

There is more money to be made from their cheap labour, than there is from removing them. This is why they are being allowed to stay, against the wishes, and the well-being/better wages, of the majority of we indigenes!

WindupMerchant

Don't forget the Labour votes they bring at election times.

johnwest

Good point!

Mikeuk

Tebbit: Enoch Powell’s prophecy for Britain was correct

By James Cusick, Westminster Editor

Lord Tebbit, the former chairman of the Conservative Party, has claimed Enoch Powell’s controversial “river of blood” speech in 1968 was a correct prophesy of the climate of fear that Britain is now facing following the two terrorist bomb attacks in London last month.
In an interview with the Sunday Herald, Lord Tebbit claimed Powell’s views were misinterpreted as racist and that Powell’s warning was focused on the dangers of a multicultural British society that would be fed from uncontrolled immigration.

Tebbit’s comments follow on from the views expressed by the current front-runner for the leadership of the Conservatives, David Davis, who said last week that Britain’s pursuit of multiculturalism had been “misplaced” and should now be abandoned.

However Tebbit’s overt backing for a Powellite stance on immigration, shows the extent to which criticism of multiculturalism has become almost mainstream since the London attacks.

Despite Tebbit’s attack on what he calls “the impossibility” of multiculturalism, he also attacks the current state of British culture which he said “was no role model to recommend to anyone in Bradford who looked over their garden fence and was told ‘this is what you have to aspire to’.”

He cites binge drinking, drunken behaviour, yob culture and “15-year-old single mothers pushing prams” as part of the “need to clean up our own act”.

Tebbit in his own Powellite revision, repeated a long-held view that Britain now had to reduce immigration to a trickle or else it “risked turning our cities INTO phpbb_terrorist breeding grounds”.

Tebbit’s entry INTO phpbb_the post-bombing debate over integration comes as the fragile cross-party consensus that has followed the bombings appears to have been shattered.

Following the 12 new proposals announced by the Prime Minister in Downing Street last Friday, Charles Kennedy stated that Tony Blair was trying to introduce new anti-terror measures not based on legal principles but on the current mood of the nation. “You can’t legislate by mood,” the Liberal Democrat leader said.

Although Davis offered broad support for Blair’s proposals, the retiring Tory leader, Michael Howard, accused Blair of using legislation to target key Muslim activists like Abu Qatada and Omar Bakri Mohammed who are likely to become the first Muslims to be extradited to Jordan and Syria under new powers to be given to the Home Secretary Charles Clarke.

Sir Iqbal Sacranie of the Muslim council of Britain said Blair’s plan to ban the group Hizb-ut-Tahrir was not the correct solution. He claimed the ban would drive the group underground and would prove counterproductive.

Imran Waheed of the Hizb-ut-Tahrir insisted the group was non-violent and warned the government that if the ban went ahead there would be “serious repercussions”.

Liberty, one of Britain’s leading civil rights pressure groups, said Blair appeared to have learned nothing from recent events. The groups director, Shami Chakrabati, said the Prime Minister “seems to no longer have much truck for fundamental human rights at all … He is playing INTO phpbb_the hands of the terrorists.”

Despite the criticism the Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer, insisted the “whole government” was behind Tony Blair and that there was a “very widespread sense in the country that subsequent to July 7, that things have to change.”

07 August 2005

http://www.sundayherald.com/51207