Was World War Two just as pointless and self-defeating as Iraq,

BonnieDundee · 26-05-2008, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Westcountryman

Unfortunately we weren't in a position to stop them. Letting Eastern Europe fall to Communism is regretful, and we're still feeling the effects today.

Which added to the fact that it is a significantly popular theory in WWII histiography that it was mainly the ongoing war and German's decling position in it and the wishes of officials to please Hitler in this atmosphere which led to the radicalisation of their persecutions, then it makes one wonder what the real point was.

British-Conservatism · 28-05-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Akria

You seem to have rather carefully avoided reading my post, for otherwise you would not have posted such repetitive nonsense.

Let us make it a tolerant future devoid of racial and national prejudice.

Who are 'we'?
Britain and the British will always survive - it is only through regressive thoughts of race and bloodline that we would fall. You speak as though there is a struggle between the races, but this struggle is non-existent in reality.
I repeat - there will be no genocide, no extermination of the British. There will, at most, be a demographic shift as we mingle and interbreed. This is the way civilizations throughout history have evolved, and we will be no exception.

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The British will be displaced by Africans and Asians within 50 years at this rate.
Only I may add because of the weak among us.

As for your comment that made me smile "Let us make it a tolerant future devoid of racial and national prejudice."

Can we wear daisy chains and dance through medows hand in hand with the others races too?

Akria · 30-05-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

The British will be displaced by Africans and Asians within 50 years at this rate.
Only I may add because of the weak among us.

As for your comment that made me smile "Let us make it a tolerant future devoid of racial and national prejudice."

Can we wear daisy chains and dance through medows hand in hand with the others races too?

I shall ignore the patronising bit.
Who are the weak?
And who cares? And why?

Akria · 30-05-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

On the contrary, what you describe is just one key to the decline and fall of civilizations.

National and ethnic groups that mingle and interbreed with others on any scale have lost all sense of their own identity. That is not so much a cause of decadence as a symptom of decadence which may be seen in ancient Rome, Egypt and many other empires of the past. It may well happen here too.

Eventually the weak and spineless will fall to the strong. For the future we face, not a simple 'race war' but a quasi-religious, quasi-ethnic war between the faithless West and radical Islam.

The West retains technical superiority, but in the end nuclear weapons will provide the equaliser. Man, that weak, greedy, crule, vile creature will destroy himself and leave a world, shattered, but at last at peace with itself.

Nor public flame, nor private, dares to shine;
Nor human spark is left, nor glimpse divine!
Lo! thy dread empire, Chaos! is restored;
Light dies before thy uncreating word:
Thy hand, great Anarch! lets the curtain fall;
And universal darkness buries all. - Pope

What is identity but a shared delusion that we are fundamentally different?

And if it is not a cause but a symptom then it is not key at all. You muddle your own words.

I'd rather that no nations other than the current few gained nuclear weapons.
Since their invention they have been responsible for peace, but every new nation which gets its hands on them is another nation which might not care for the dire consequences nuclear holocaust could have on humanity as a whole.

tito · 31-05-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Akria

What is identity but a shared delusion that we are fundamentally different?

An axiomatic fact, for a start. I'd have thought you would have known that.

Darth Bane · 01-06-2008, 04:13 PM

I am personally a son of a son that served in the great second war of our current era of the generation of the people by the people of America. I sort ofblame Neville Chamberland for his policy of appeasement. If it weren't for his meddling we might have had Winston Churchill instead of the other weaker and inferior politician you guys had. First Adolf took back part of the Rine country the buffer to France. Then, he unite Austria and Germany. Finally he took some of Chekslavokia nd we never did nothing just some superficial warnings. Communism is a thought more so than just USSR. I mean the american Marshall Plan wouldn't haven't been able to have supported the eastern block as well as all other parts of the war torned european landscape. If it were possible and indeed it could in a way be feesible but there would be another great world-wide economic depression like in 1929 in America. Nazis had to be confronted and for that I respect the british more so than some of the other hanass things the former british empire once did. Joseph Stalin was a nessesary evil at the time and nothing more. True enough we prevented the spread by slowing and halting the iron curtain but not good enough. Everyone in the world complained during Vietnam and so America lost because we lost the willingless not the resources to fight like the french had lost! The french government has become in the past few centuries fraille and defeated even old Nopoleon Bonaparte or as I call him " Nopoleon Blownapart" are sadened and grieved that they had the have general Pattons help to enter Paris and not the rightful american and british troops that deserved it.

tito · 01-06-2008, 10:38 PM

"You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour and you will get war"

--Churchill

Akria · 02-06-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tito

An axiomatic fact, for a start. I'd have thought you would have known that.

I was unforgivably unclear in my post.
I meant identity in terms of the subidentity of nationality. It is nothing more than a delusion that your country of birth can affect your qualities as a human, in my opinion.

I suspect that you will disagree with me still, but never mind.

tito · 04-06-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Akria

I was unforgivably unclear in my post.
I meant identity in terms of the subidentity of nationality. It is nothing more than a delusion that your country of birth can affect your qualities as a human, in my opinion.

I suspect that you will disagree with me still, but never mind.

No - I agree. You can be a **** in America or a diamond in Tehran.

Akria · 04-06-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tito

No - I agree. You can be a **** in America or a diamond in Tehran.

Exactly!

01-06-2008, 04:13 PM	#46 (permalink)
Darth Bane Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Auburn, Alabama of United States of America Posts: 155 Party: Other	Our Forefathers? I am personally a son of a son that served in the great second war of our current era of the generation of the people by the people of America. I sort ofblame Neville Chamberland for his policy of appeasement. If it weren't for his meddling we might have had Winston Churchill instead of the other weaker and inferior politician you guys had. First Adolf took back part of the Rine country the buffer to France. Then, he unite Austria and Germany. Finally he took some of Chekslavokia nd we never did nothing just some superficial warnings. Communism is a thought more so than just USSR. I mean the american Marshall Plan wouldn't haven't been able to have supported the eastern block as well as all other parts of the war torned european landscape. If it were possible and indeed it could in a way be feesible but there would be another great world-wide economic depression like in 1929 in America. Nazis had to be confronted and for that I respect the british more so than some of the other hanass things the former british empire once did. Joseph Stalin was a nessesary evil at the time and nothing more. True enough we prevented the spread by slowing and halting the iron curtain but not good enough. Everyone in the world complained during Vietnam and so America lost because we lost the willingless not the resources to fight like the french had lost! The french government has become in the past few centuries fraille and defeated even old Nopoleon Bonaparte or as I call him " Nopoleon Blownapart" are sadened and grieved that they had the have general Pattons help to enter Paris and not the rightful american and british troops that deserved it.

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