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Old 19-05-2008, 07:01 PM   #31 (permalink)
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If we had have followed our original plan to push Hitler East it is very likely that the Red Hoards of the Soviet Union would have still been pushing into Eastern Europe by 1944.
This could have then been the time for Britain to enter the war and save Europe with a much weakened Germany.
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Old 20-05-2008, 01:12 AM   #32 (permalink)
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How decadent we have become that we can count it as a trivial thing, the death of a people. Shame on you!
Native Europeans can be exterminated via a slow process of multiracial genocide and that is ok? Yet I am expected to show concern about the fate of a tribe of alien middle easterners who may or may not have received special attention in a war conducted 63 years ago in another land?
The death of a people?
No. Rather the evolution of a society.

I am not speaking of genocide; I am not speaking of a second Holocaust, a second Churban greater in scale even than the first. I'm speaking of change over time, a gradual shift in demographics, as has occurred throughout history.

You are aware that throughout history Britain has been nothing but a battleground, beset by countless invasions and migrations?
The entirety of this island's history in human hands has been a perpetual demographic shift with no fixed end.

If in a thousand years time the predominant bloodline of those living in Britain is anything other than that which it is now then I should be quite happy, as it is merely the continuation of something which has always happened, quite naturally and in keeping with human nature.

If, on the other hand, the British bloodline is as it is now then I shall be very much dismayed, because that will without a doubt have been the result of isolationist and nationalist tendencies seeking to put a halt on time and dam the river of history. And as with all dams, it will have the potential to burst, and the results of such a burst will not be pretty.
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The death of a people?
No. Rather the evolution of a society.

I am not speaking of genocide; I am not speaking of a second Holocaust, a second Churban greater in scale even than the first. I'm speaking of change over time, a gradual shift in demographics, as has occurred throughout history.

You are aware that throughout history Britain has been nothing but a battleground, beset by countless invasions and migrations?
The entirety of this island's history in human hands has been a perpetual demographic shift with no fixed end.

If in a thousand years time the predominant bloodline of those living in Britain is anything other than that which it is now then I should be quite happy, as it is merely the continuation of something which has always happened, quite naturally and in keeping with human nature.

If, on the other hand, the British bloodline is as it is now then I shall be very much dismayed, because that will without a doubt have been the result of isolationist and nationalist tendencies seeking to put a halt on time and dam the river of history. And as with all dams, it will have the potential to burst, and the results of such a burst will not be pretty.
The future is what we make it.
We can choose to survive or not survive.
A present our choice will mean we shall not survive.
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Old 21-05-2008, 11:35 PM   #34 (permalink)
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The future is what we make it.
We can choose to survive or not survive.
A present our choice will mean we shall not survive.
You seem to have rather carefully avoided reading my post, for otherwise you would not have posted such repetitive nonsense.

Let us make it a tolerant future devoid of racial and national prejudice.

Who are 'we'?
Britain and the British will always survive - it is only through regressive thoughts of race and bloodline that we would fall. You speak as though there is a struggle between the races, but this struggle is non-existent in reality.
I repeat - there will be no genocide, no extermination of the British. There will, at most, be a demographic shift as we mingle and interbreed. This is the way civilizations throughout history have evolved, and we will be no exception.

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How can an action be right when it results in the destruction of not only the enemy but one`s own people?
You will have to elaborate if you want me to respond.
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Britain goes to war against Germany cos Germany invades Poland. Germany & USSR come to a deal to finish the job & carve up Poland & USSR shoots 14000 Polish officer prisoners as insurance against future trouble makers. In name of "democracy" Britain allies with USSR to defeat Germany leaving Stalin free to do what Hitler did except that Stalin liquidated en block national minorities & polictical suspects instead of Jews.
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Seems about right the way you told it,however,maybe the same or worse is to come in Europe,when the Communist European Union breaks apart,prober?

I hope not though.
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So were supposed to sit by whilst Hitler occupied continental Europe? We were just supposed to let numerous sovereign countries succumb to German fascism, and then sit idly by whilst Hitler murdered all the Jewish people, homosexuals and gypsies etc in Europe?

I don't think so. We warned Hitler that if he invaded Poland there'd be war. He didn't listen and he lost. As a result, Europe (or at least, 'Western' Europe) was freed from occupation and fascism.
A significant school of thought on the holocaust see it not as the longterm plan of Hitler but as an escalating increase in brutality brought about by the worsening situation of the Nazis and often on the impulse of relatively junior officials. If this is correct then what you are saying is not true about sitting idly.

Also we left half of Europe in the grip of the USSR.
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Also we left half of Europe in the grip of the USSR.
Unfortunately we weren't in a position to stop them. Letting Eastern Europe fall to Communism is regretful, and we're still feeling the effects today.
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You seem to have rather carefully avoided reading my post, for otherwise you would not have posted such repetitive nonsense.

Let us make it a tolerant future devoid of racial and national prejudice.

Who are 'we'?
Britain and the British will always survive - it is only through regressive thoughts of race and bloodline that we would fall. You speak as though there is a struggle between the races, but this struggle is non-existent in reality.
I repeat - there will be no genocide, no extermination of the British. There will, at most, be a demographic shift as we mingle and interbreed. This is the way civilizations throughout history have evolved, and we will be no exception.

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On the contrary, what you describe is just one key to the decline and fall of civilizations.

National and ethnic groups that mingle and interbreed with others on any scale have lost all sense of their own identity. That is not so much a cause of decadence as a symptom of decadence which may be seen in ancient Rome, Egypt and many other empires of the past. It may well happen here too.

Eventually the weak and spineless will fall to the strong. For the future we face, not a simple 'race war' but a quasi-religious, quasi-ethnic war between the faithless West and radical Islam.

The West retains technical superiority, but in the end nuclear weapons will provide the equaliser. Man, that weak, greedy, crule, vile creature will destroy himself and leave a world, shattered, but at last at peace with itself.

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