Was World War Two just as pointless and self-defeating as Iraq,

tito · 19-05-2008, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Akria

Even if this were true, and I would argue against it, what difference does it make?
Whether the people be British biologically (whatever that means) or foreign what does it matter? They are people nonetheless.

I suggest you read Shylock's speech in The Merchant of Venice; though he was disgusting, Shakespeare gave him the most meaningful lines in the play.

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Akria, any life taken by a free country while fighting a tyranny is solely the fault of the tyrannical.

Akria · 19-05-2008, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tito

Akria, any life taken by a free country while fighting a tyranny is solely the fault of the tyrannical.

You're responding to a point I didn't make and an opinion I don't hold. :S

I do in fact largely agree with you, although with a few unimportant provisos.

As you know, I favour humanity above all else.
Sometimes humanity needs individuals to be killed. Unfortunate, but something I have long since accepted.

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Unionist · 19-05-2008, 12:48 AM

Fighting tyranny is a moral act. I disagree strongly with those who say that it is none of our business.

Of course, moral choices have no national borders. But even in pragmatic terms. what happens in the backwaters of Afghanistan or Pakistan comes back to affect us. 9/11 was evidence enough of that.

tito · 19-05-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Akria

You're responding to a point I didn't make and an opinion I don't hold. :S

I do in fact largely agree with you, although with a few unimportant provisos.

As you know, I favour humanity above all else.
Sometimes humanity needs individuals to be killed. Unfortunate, but something I have long since accepted.

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Oh - It's late.

My view on the matter, the present day matter at least, is well summarised by Dr. Peikoff

End States Who Sponsor Terrorism

Imperium · 19-05-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hartlepool

So,can we count that non answer as a YES then?

I can only answer a question if the person putting it has made himself clear.

Imperium · 19-05-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Akria

Even if this were true, and I would argue against it, what difference does it make?
Whether the people be British biologically (whatever that means) or foreign what does it matter? They are people nonetheless.

I suggest you read Shylock's speech in The Merchant of Venice; though he was disgusting, Shakespeare gave him the most meaningful lines in the play.

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How decadent we have become that we can count it as a trivial thing, the death of a people. Shame on you!
Native Europeans can be exterminated via a slow process of multiracial genocide and that is ok? Yet I am expected to show concern about the fate of a tribe of alien middle easterners who may or may not have received special attention in a war conducted 63 years ago in another land?

Imperium · 19-05-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tito

No!

World War II was conducted very well by Churchill, it was the right action and we put a stop to Nazism.

In Iraq we've set up a brand new Islamist, terrorist-breeding state. We might as well have taken up arms against ourselves.

How can an action be right when it results in the destruction of not only the enemy but one`s own people?

Imperium · 19-05-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Unionist

Fighting tyranny is a moral act. I disagree strongly with those who say that it is none of our business.

Of course, moral choices have no national borders. But even in pragmatic terms. what happens in the backwaters of Afghanistan or Pakistan comes back to affect us. 9/11 was evidence enough of that.

And isn`t that what the Islamic freedom fighters are in fact doing, fighting tyranny?

British-Conservatism · 19-05-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hartlepool

Because if that war had not taken place,the Germans and Italians would have possibly had their European Union sixty years ago,instead of still being thwarted by some of us today in 2008.

The apeasement option was also available at that time before the war started,it was better known in those days as the surrender option though.

I'de be interested to know which option you would have chosen Imperium,both then ,and now,tell us all,which one?

The Chamberlain government in 1937 eventually decided to pursue a more active policy of appeasement to push Germany eastwards, with the aim of encouraging and allowing Germany to expand towards the east until Germany and the Soviet Union shared a common frontier.

The British government had calculated that this situation of Germany sharing a closer border with the Soviet Union would increase the probability of Hitler launching an attack against the Soviet Union.

This line of thinking proved accurate when Germany invaded the Soviet Union on 22 June 1941.

By setting the Germans against the Bolsheviks, the British government hoped to kill two birds with one stone, expecting that the two enemies would exhaust each another in a German-Soviet war.

This plan to push Germany eastwards broke down when Hitler insisted on a war against Poland in 1939 and under the pressure of British public opinion, Chamberlain was forced to declare war against Germany.

If Chamberlain had let Hitler off just one more time the British plan would have been complete.

British-Conservatism · 19-05-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Westcountryman

Are you a holocaust denier?

If we had not gone to war could the holocaust have been avoided?

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19-05-2008, 12:48 AM	#23 (permalink)
Unionist Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,056	Fighting tyranny is a moral act. I disagree strongly with those who say that it is none of our business. Of course, moral choices have no national borders. But even in pragmatic terms. what happens in the backwaters of Afghanistan or Pakistan comes back to affect us. 9/11 was evidence enough of that.