Was Henley a good result for UKIP?

Wowbanger TIP · 28-06-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by blueblood1920

You are like a stuck record, you have been told that he has taken back them comments and said that he was wrong to make them. If we were to go on peoples past on things like that then there would be a lack of politicians in Liverpool one of the main militant cities in its time.

Where has he taken them back? Specifically.

It is often asserted that Griffin has mended his ways and changed his opinions. The one document which I have seen on the subject, the essay By Their Fruits, is filled with evasion, omission and equivocation. Griffin doesn't talk about certain issues any more, that is not the same as changing his opinion.

Moreover his actions tell a very different story.

david H · 28-06-2008, 09:01 PM

Who would you like to see replace NG? There are none strong enough to take the pressure in line. Auty and othersl ike him want to trim the policies to try and creep for acceptance from the establishment.

Wowbanger TIP · 28-06-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vortex

Shouldn't you be paying homage to saint Nelson on the telly Harris?

Perhaps if "nationalists" spent more time studying the political techniques and methods of the ANC, and less looking for Lithuanian Jews in its ranks, we might discover something worth knowing? It is after all an example of a successful revolutionary nationalist political force.

Wowbanger TIP · 28-06-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by david H

Who would you like to see replace NG? There are none strong enough to take the pressure in line. Auty and othersl ike him want to trim the policies to try and creep for acceptance from the establishment.

My favored replacement would be Sadie Grayham. A front line activist of immense courage. More importantly she is young and female, a colossal advantage and an invaluable asset in challenging the stereotype. As far as I know she has no Nazi skeletons in the cupboard and is a "cleanskin".

Sure she would need extensive coaching in political theory, but the Party has no shortage of political theorists. Moreover if she had the willingness to learn and adapt then anything is possible.

Auty is a credible candidate. He might not have an Oxbridge degree but he has got an electric guitar, equivalent or better in modern politics. He is a decent man and that is far better than a brilliant but tainted and corrupt alternative. Again he is a fighting activist and not a Ivory Tower theorist. Again he has no compromising history.

Barnbrook has a lot of positive attributes and has the credibility. Again an excellent aggressive and innovative front line leader. But again needs the theory. And again has no form. Also seems to have a certain appeal to the female vote.

I don't see any evidence any of them want to trim policy. They joined the Party as it was/is and I see no reason why they would want to change the manifesto. The manifesto isn't the problem.

Its easy to win the moral argument from a nationalist position, its the opposition that have the problem. Have I not demonstrated this exhaustively on this very forum?

However none have a chance until Griffin's entrenched position is comprehensively blasted. So we will keep hammering away until he is exposed for the cheap spin doctor and tainted part timer he really is.

If your waiting for a smart, good looking, sharp, young, cool, courageous and brilliant alternative to show up Griffin will die in office. The Party can't attract such people while it is as it is. Moreover even if they did Griffin would boot them before they derailed his gravy train.

Kevin Adamson · 28-06-2008, 10:19 PM

A terrible result for UKIP. It would appear that they have failed to get the (or any) message across to the people.Is it just a case of finance ? The candidates ? The leadership ?
With Labour at an all time low,the conservatives not doing anything but becoming more popular (most people vote for one or the other) it is prime time for the small parties to make some headway.Alas Ukip are not and do not give any signs that they will do so in the near future.
For many of the anti EU vote ,our options are becoming clearer by the day.

Independent UKIP · 28-06-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP

My favored replacement would be Sadie Grayham. A front line activist of immense courage. More importantly she is young and female, a colossal advantage and an invaluable asset in challenging the stereotype. As far as I know she has no Nazi skeletons in the cupboard and is a "cleanskin".

Sure she would need extensive coaching in political theory, but the Party has no shortage of political theorists. Moreover if she had the willingness to learn and adapt then anything is possible.

What is your consideration of the brief article in 'Notes from the Borderland' which I posted here last year and for any interest copy here today? This is well off-topic so beyond the above question asked I won't say anything more on the matter.

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In case anyone is interested this is quoted from 'Notes from the Borderland', issue 5, winter 2003-4 (not available online afaik). Any spelling mistakes all my own. The BNP can't possibly not read NFTB so this is not going to be a revelation to anyone who has been in the party for a reasonable amount of time or anyone who might be considered to be in the leadership of that party.

"Assets come in many shapes and sizes. Such as the charming Sadie Graham. Hailing originally from Brighton, she surfaced in the mid-1990's hunt-sabbing and anarcho-punk scene. Sadie worked for three years at a local law firm (Des Murphy's) specialising in animal rights cases and even briefly took up (as reportedly did she) the GANDALF conspiracy case. Now a student at Nottingham University, Ms Graham apparently underwent a Damascene political conversion in 2000, and is a fervent BNP member and local election candidate. Indeed, her (Broxtowe) result in May 2003 was a creditable 43.36%, by far the best BNP East Midlands showing. A valued member of the party's crack by-election canvassing team, Ms Graham may well be just another former Leftist who has crossed over to the enemy camp, even though this switch of allegiance was not mentioned in a recent positive Daily Express profile when surely relevant [29/4/3]. Set against this is a disturbing claim that Ms Graham not only gets on very well with the local constabulary (as she did in Brighton) but is also spoken of in glowing terms deep inside the Searchlight organisation, though never featuring in their tawdry magazine. Indeed, this would seem to be borne out both by the Express article (given the BNP series came largely from Searchlight) and the absence of any Nottingham University (or Anti-Nazi League) campaign against Ms Graham, unlike other prominent BNP students such as Lawrence Rustem, Mark Collett and Tony Wentworth. Ms Graham's affiliations are no secret - her candidature was announced on the Nottingham University web-site. One for Ross Bradshaw perhaps?"

BTW I don't know who Ross Bradshaw is.

Earthling · 28-06-2008, 11:53 PM

A poor result.
If we had beaten Labour it wouldn't be so bad, but we couldn't even manage that.

I think the campaign team have to go back to the drawing board and come up with some fresh ideas.
I hope Nigel Farage also will take note of these recent results and take some action.
One thing is for certain: we cannot carry on like this.

HM · 29-06-2008, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Earthling

A poor result.
If we had beaten Labour it wouldn't be so bad, but we couldn't even manage that.

I think the campaign team have to go back to the drawing board and come up with some fresh ideas.
I hope Nigel Farage also will take note of these recent results and take some action.
One thing is for certain: we cannot carry on like this.

See also: http://democracyforum.co.uk/henley-e...etrospect.html.

steve fowler · 29-06-2008, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Earthling

A poor result.
If we had beaten Labour it wouldn't be so bad, but we couldn't even manage that.

I think the campaign team have to go back to the drawing board and come up with some fresh ideas.
I hope Nigel Farage also will take note of these recent results and take some action.
One thing is for certain: we cannot carry on like this.

Get the bloody! in your face EU stuff off our local and national leaflets would be a start.

david H · 29-06-2008, 12:51 AM

You have made a case on this very forum. We are not talking about morals or winning sarguments. The establishment want cheap labour and world markets. They pretend it is for moral reasons like over coming prejudice but that is window dressing. What we are really in is a clash of prejudices.
That is why there is no fair debate: neither side understsands the other. Those you mention would not be strong enough to take the insults and the personal danger. I disagree with your attitude of choosing a woman because it is politically fashionable. What else would you advocate to conform to the establishment line? It is capitulating to femimism.

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28-06-2008, 11:53 PM	#27 (permalink)
Earthling Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cheshire Posts: 292 Party: UKIP	A poor result. If we had beaten Labour it wouldn't be so bad, but we couldn't even manage that. I think the campaign team have to go back to the drawing board and come up with some fresh ideas. I hope Nigel Farage also will take note of these recent results and take some action. One thing is for certain: we cannot carry on like this. __________________ Earthling's Blog Don't let EU rule Britannia! Vote UKIP and say NO to Brussels Bureaucracy.

29-06-2008, 12:51 AM	#30 (permalink)
david H Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,918	You have made a case on this very forum. We are not talking about morals or winning sarguments. The establishment want cheap labour and world markets. They pretend it is for moral reasons like over coming prejudice but that is window dressing. What we are really in is a clash of prejudices. That is why there is no fair debate: neither side understsands the other. Those you mention would not be strong enough to take the insults and the personal danger. I disagree with your attitude of choosing a woman because it is politically fashionable. What else would you advocate to conform to the establishment line? It is capitulating to femimism. Last edited by david H; 29-06-2008 at 12:52 AM. Reason: typo

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28-06-2008, 09:01 PM	#22 (permalink)
david H Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,918	Who would you like to see replace NG? There are none strong enough to take the pressure in line. Auty and othersl ike him want to trim the policies to try and creep for acceptance from the establishment.

28-06-2008, 10:19 PM	#25 (permalink)
Kevin Adamson Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Surrey Posts: 888 Party: UKIP	A terrible result for UKIP. It would appear that they have failed to get the (or any) message across to the people.Is it just a case of finance ? The candidates ? The leadership ? With Labour at an all time low,the conservatives not doing anything but becoming more popular (most people vote for one or the other) it is prime time for the small parties to make some headway.Alas Ukip are not and do not give any signs that they will do so in the near future. For many of the anti EU vote ,our options are becoming clearer by the day.