Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP

One of the biggest hurdles the BNP faces, and any minor party for that matter, is establishing credibility. Well designed, commercial quality leaflets are therefore vital. If your going into battle armed with a pointy stick make sure its really pointy or not only will you lose but look stupid at the same time.

The technology to customise leaflets has moved on a bit from rubber stamps and is widely and freely available.

One of the simplest and most urgent items on the leaderships to do list is to build a operation which can produce very high quality leaflets using the latest advertising techniques (not nineteenth century pamphlets) quickly and cheaply. This is the very least that they should be doing to support their beleaguered troops. The template in use by HQ in my day was high quality in terms of production but shameful in terms of design.

Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP

I was in the BNP for a year, but I have been a interested in politics for far longer. My A-Level Government and Politics teacher was a Labour councilor, prospective MP and obsessed with local political tactics. I also picked up a wealth of useful information from things can only get better by John O'Farrell, rip roaringly funny but with a tragic end. Moreover I studied everything I could get my hands on, which was nothing from the Party but plenty on the net, in relation to political tactical theory because I wanted to win. Plus I like to think I'm just that little bit smarter than the average bear and therefore am able to analyze this information and arrive at a conclusion with a little bit more rapidity and accuracy than the average BNP member.

I do not have a epic history of being comprehensively defeated by the Establishment and I do not intend to acquire one. Is this is a prerequisite for being a nationalist tactician I would suggest that that is part of the problem, not the solution.

We have talked about these "amazing times" before, repeatedly. You apparently have not been listening so once again. 9/11 + London bombings + Burnley + Oldham - Griffin - Collett - Sundry other Nazis = BNP success til 2006. Since then the Party has been losing support, in every sense of that word.

The VB are amazing, Vim Fortyne was amazing, the BNP is embarrassing. That prior to 9/11 the right was essential none existent does not mean that we should be satisfied with the pathetic achievements accomplished since. Success or failure is not defined in relation to the abject NF of 1986 but by the objective, defeating the Establishment and its orthodoxy. Not that I feel the slightest affinity for the NF of 1986 anyway.

Originally Posted by a swansong 4 europe

"..You old skool boy's crack me up. "Listen here sonny I don't care about "tactics", I've been getting thrashed by Labour since before you were born, when you have lost twenty consecutive elections then maybe I listen to what you have to say. Now fire up the movable type and bring forth the parchment".. "

Yes, it must be so amusing to you. Yes, again, I will no doubt see many more like yourself come and go, and THAT is the problem. Nationalism for all its faults - in this country at least - has the amazing knack of recruiting to its ranks short-term firebrands and hotheads who come on the scene thinking they know EXACTLY what the problems are and where the solutions lie and usually, when they don't get their own short-tempered way, they scarper off and throw insults at their former political associates saying they have a stuck-in-the-mud attitude offering a no-hope agenda.

Time proves people like that wrong, and it's almost a certainly good thing that nationalism in places like Scotland, no matter what anyone here thinks of that term, did NOT have people like you in its ranks for the greater part of its history. Likewise with the Socialist movement or that of the Irish nationalists, all off which had to wait GENERATIONS to achieve their goals, and no doubt COUNTLESS other examples around the world.

Sadly, for those that expect things to be resolved quickly, they always fall foul of the slow and often long process that achieving power can take. I mean for god's sake, many of those against the establishment of the EU in all its previous forms have been battling for over THIRTY years to see even a glimmer of hope in the steady and deliberate eroding of the establishment's position.

You, and others like you, assume to have the ability to see things in a light that no one else manages to see, and that only YOUR way is the way forward. Time and time again, people like yourself FAIL and FAIL again to actually establish with an utterly clear and unconditional example of an election win that absolutely proves your theories right. There is ALWAYS an answer to your position and that is to go out and actually PROVE everyone else wrong and yourself right.

Do this by either working within an organisation to achieve its goals choosing your own local operational tactics and showing the rest of the world your fantastic strategic abilities by actually WINNING a seat on a representative body. Do that, or leave and set up either your own organisation to do the same. Perhaps join another, and likewise - assuming your not simply riding on the back of an already established political and electoral machine - also prove that your have the skills necessary to produce results. If that is beyond you, don't accuse others of failure and stay out of the political kitchen as you're clearly unable to withstand the heat.

If you are a parent, then god help those kids, as you must be awfully tired of waiting for them to grow up.

Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

The BNP has the best leaflets of any party in the UK.

Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

You are very naive I know a branch that tried your tactics to the letter but still only got 15% of the vote same as the party got in the election before with only one leaflet put out.
It takes a lot more than this.
You have to build up popular local support through word of mouth and meetings before you will get anywhere in my experience which is vast.
The best leaflet i put out had 75 replies it has now been adopted by one branch of the BNP to great success and it now going nationwide.

Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP

Even if that were true, which it isn't by a long way, so what? This isn't a competition to see who can design the best leaflet if there are all useless even the best one is useless.

Leaflets are secondary communication methods used to support a multi-technique delivery of a single, or small group of related, messages designed to shift public opinion. etc etc but this is a little bit advanced for the BNP, lets just concentrate on getting the spelling right and staying out of prison for now lads.

Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP

vast experience eh? How many have you won? How has your tactical model evolved in response to that of the opposition and increasing capability?

Or have you just been printing black and white leaflets for twenty years?

Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

We have done full colour and mass canvass.
What have you done?
And why didn’t you answer my question as to why you didn’t canvas your own ward and do your own leaflets?

Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

Name one party or show me one leaflet that is better than a BNP one.
Ive been in the Conservative party and ive seen nothing that can compare.