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Old 15-06-2008, 11:58 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Thank you very much for seeking that out. Some useful stats there for the BNP claims. So only 16% agree that non-whites are inherently 'less British' than whites. Good news. And only 29% support re/depatriation. Good news too. Looks like their claims that they hold the view of the majority has gone down the drain.

So shouldn't populists like yourself be with the majority who say non-whites aren't inherently 'less British' than whites? And the majority who are against this re/depatriation malarkey? With populism, what you want should be what you get.
No problem.
It's useful to review the figures again.

>> With populism, what you want should be what you get. <<
True. If people want to maintain the status quo - even when offered the choice to change matters by a referendum - the result has to be accepted.

Doesn't mean one can't try to persuade them otherwise during a referendum campaign.
So far, assisted voluntary repatriation is on the Statute Books. Whether people would vote to abolish this is another matter. A referendum would be quite legitimate and then we'd see.

Taking this point to another level, the same poll has support for the UK's withdrawal from the EU at 35%. Where does this leave the anti-EU Movement?


Naturally. I draw a great distinction between a referendum and a public opinion poll. For one thing, in a P O P, no one is actually going to change/confirm something. There is scope for indulgence or whatever. In a referendum, people will have to live with what they decide.

But for discussing the subject in general, a P O P is a useful feature.
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Old 16-06-2008, 02:57 AM   #42 (permalink)
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We should continue to promote the withdrawal of Britain from the EU! There is either in or out, there is no middle ground, so there is no point in changing strategy!
>> We should continue to promote the withdrawal of Britain from the EU! There is either in or out, there is no middle ground <<

Absolutely.
The endgame for our side is: That Britain is not in the EU.


>> so there is no point in changing strategy <<

Strategy is the overall means by which the desired result is achieved.

UKIP's strategy is to win a UK General Election and then remove the UK from the EU by Repealing the 1972 European Communities Act.

Another very extreme strategy might be to resort to a violent resistance - SOE-style - and try to liberate the UK by means of sabotage and the assassination of prominent EU-philes.

And then there are strategies that fit between these two poles.


One strategy could be to look at the *problem* from a different perspective - - "lateral thinking" is the expression.

One of the most recent members to join the Populists is a former UKIP branch chairman. I shan't say where, nor why he left UKIP in total disgust at UKIP's higher-ups. Not to spare you lot your blushes, I should add; but to possibly use the information to more damaging effect at a later date.

When I first met him a couple of years ago he told me he would never again join a political party - a consequence of being part of UKIP. I am very pleased he has changed his mind.

Foremost he has hit upon a strategy and a way of looking at the problem that is quite different to the norm and if workable will achieve the desired result. I shall be very annoying and not give even a hint on a public board; but I like it and it is therefore work in progress for the Populists.

UKIP can try it their way; and others will attempt another way . . .
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If UKIP do very badly in the Henley By-election on 24th June?

What do you think UKIPers will do?
From what I have seen I don't think we will do badly. I think this by-election. is being well run with a good message on pertinent issues such as post office closures, and petrol prices. Also, our candidate seems to be getting a good response from people on the street and at the doorstep. I'd predict 5%+.

If all our campaigns we run as professionally as this one we'd be far ahead of where we are now.
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I am against mass immigration as I have said countless times before. But I am against the BNP's racial policy which I see as unfair and racist.

I want to see the tabloid's poll and who conducted it and when it was made. I don't give a damn whether I've deviated and I'm just looking for excuses to have a go at the BNP; I will say what I like where I like.
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From what I have seen I don't think we will do badly. I think this by-election. is being well run with a good message on pertinent issues such as post office closures, and petrol prices. Also, our candidate seems to be getting a good response from people on the street and at the doorstep. I'd predict 5%+.

If all our campaigns we run as professionally as this one we'd be far ahead of where we are now.
OK.
As it stands at present, UKIPers on the ground in Henley are coming out with the opinion that their campaign is going well and should get at least the 5% required to save a Deposit.

I'll run with that since I have no current evidence to the contrary.

Now the marker has been set by the UKIP people involved, it'll be interesting to see how close to this assessment the result is.

If better or worse, I'm genuinely interested to learn how people will react.
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If better or worse, I'm genuinely interested to learn how people will react.
If we do better than I expect I will be very pleased. If we do worse I will be disappointed.
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One thing you can be absolutely sure of and that is that the UKIP will not have to endure tens of thousands of illegal leaflets being distributed against them by scruffy left wing brit haters posing as defenders of democracy.

UKIP, like every other "acceptable" right wing 'nutter's' party will have an easy ride, and for that reason and that reason alone they should be capable of winning the bleedin' seat. Every vote that th BNP gets takes ten times as much effort and is ten times as rewarding. For the BNP to win, would be like UKIP coming second - a bleedin' miracle!

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We will come to that when and if it happens.
As for UKIP membership we will see what state that is in when the accounts are published.
If I were a member of the BNP, I would not bang on about what the accounts of any other party may reveal, or when they will appear . . . I seem to recall yours were five and a half months late last year, so that even the pussy cat regulators of the Electoral Commission felt constrained to fine Gri££in and Walker (who has since walked!).
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Politicalbetting.com says the BNP may get 3rd.
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Politicalbetting.com says the BNP may get 3rd.
Spurious research and scaremongering. Nothing more than that.

It had better be anyway - if you want to keep devoid of hat-eating!
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