Wowbanger TIP

Well 3.6% of the population anyway.

a swansong 4 europe

3.6% is over a million people nationally, can you NEVER see any good in ANY result?

mattyr2k8

Turns out I was wrong - both Labour and UKIP did worse than I thought they would.

Wowbanger TIP

Quality, thats half as many as there are Muslims in Britain.

The only useful results are when the Party wins, thats why its called First Past The Post, so it is pretty rare I see a good one in relation to the BNP, and getting rarer.

Show me a result which says Nick Griffin 49% and someone, anyone, with some talent and imagination 51% and I show you enthusiasm like you have never seen.

blueblood1920

3.6% in one of our weakest areas with very little BNP activity in the past actually bodes well for our national share in the future elections. You are ok demanding all these things while you sit there typing away moaning and lowering activist morale, if you really want to get these things achieved get off your **** and do something.

Wowbanger TIP

So you think this 3.6% in Henley translates as a win somewhere in 2010? 2015? 2020?

I am doing something. I'm trying to inject some sense of reality and counter act the appalling lack of imagination and ambition of the Party. I'm trying to make you stop playing amateur spin doctors and start addressing the problems in the BNP. Until this happens you are just wasting your, and more importantly, the people of this country's time. Which is criminal when you consider how little they have left.

blueblood1920

This result does not refelect on other areas at all, areas are very different. Take Liverpool and Sefton for example, in Liverpool Tories are lucky to get over 70 votes but in Sefton they are winning seats, the difference? A mile or two.
3.6% here shows an increase in support in our weakest areas, so it is safe to say we can rely on better support in our stronger areas I have already named. Our stronger areas are also being hit all year round with even sitting MP's saying that the BNP could take the seats and even saying the BNP are doing a better job than their own party.
I am just saying things how they are, you demonstrate a lack of knowledge in our system and how things are on the ground and then start adding stupid negative spin to results. If there is problems in the party I will adress them, but everyone has different opinions on problems, I will also adress them in the right ways not going around attacking people when you havent even put anything before the Voting Members.

The Nationalist

Some UKIP Polices show here:
UKIP will leave the political EU and trade globally and freely.

We will freeze immigration for five years, speed up deportation of up to a million illegal immigrants by tripling the numbers engaged in deportations, and have ‘no home no visa’ work permits to ease the housing crisis.

We will give people the vote on policing priorities, go back to proper beat policing and scrap the Human Rights Act. We will have sentences that mean what they say.

We will support our armed forces with more spending on equipment, military homes and medical care. We will save our threatened warships and add 25,000 more troops.

We will be fair to England, with an English Parliament of English MPs at Westminster. We will replace assembly members like MSPs with MPs. And we will promote referenda at local and national levels.

I don’t see how people can not see that this is just the BNP policies with a new image. UKIP even has the young Independence like the young BNP.

This is from the UKIP manifesto:

“Alongside the rules, we have rights. But too often, rights favour the criminal rather than the victim and the unruly pupil rather than the teacher. They create tension rather than relieve it, emphasise differences, set society against itself and diminish the much more precious right to free speech.
They encourage anyone with a grievance against the police or the NHS to sue for compensation. All these rights are eagerly exploited by the army of no-win-no-fee lawyers.
The reality is that all these rules and rights are killing off the virtues of trust, initiative, responsibility and respect that make society work. We are all encouraged to be ‘consumers’ who live for ourselves and live off the state – the state being everyone else in society.”

I would be very careful saying the BNP and nationalism is bad when 99.9 of your policies are exactly the same and you are after the same goal. We do not mention race in any of our policies or manifesto and your website even looks similar to the BNP although not as professional but does highlight the same issues. UKIP is nationalist but wont use the word.

If you believe that the BNP manifesto is nothing like UKIP and is racist take another look:
http://www.bnp.org.uk/pdf_files/minimanifesto2007.pdf
http://www.ukip.org/ukip/images/stor...ifesto2005.pdf

Anthony Butcher

And let's get back on to topic please.

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Wowbanger TIP

You've really got it in for UKIP havent you Mr Butcher? Give them a break, can't you see the blood?