HM

The epitome of the BNP's lack of substance. London Orbital doesn't even have enough argument left in them to rebut a new member's points.

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London Orbital

Did you intend this sentence to be in English?

HM

No. I wrote it in ancient Aztec symbols. Sorry. My 4,000-year-old South American side gets the better of me sometimes

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worker10

Why don't you get the guts to argue against my point, LO? 'Oh, get lost, Commie' is hardly a answer.

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Wowbanger TIP

I was under the impression the Aztecs never developed a written form of their language? Only a system of knots on string representing mathematical symbols. They also never developed metal work, or the wheel for that matter. Quite amazing the deficiencies enthusiastic whip work can make up.

Perhaps I'm confusing my Meso American civilizations?

HM

No - they are self-designed Aztec symbols which I invented to try to confuzzle the BNP members. Looks like I got busted though!

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blueblood1920

LO wasnt you calling for non-white members of the BNP? Correct me if I am wrong.

Also see we have an open commie on here now, how fun.

London Orbital

You're not wrong, but they would be compatible non-white members.

People who believe passionately in this country and its values - who just happen to be black.

It wouldn't extend to the sort of people who shout 'racist' whenever things don't go their way and thereby help to create an unequal society in which - as we can see - poor whites are now right at the bottom.

Mostly, of course, I blame the liberal left for this, not blacks themselves.

It would be a condition of such non-white members that they would have to agree to the abolition of all anti-discrimination legislation - no Race Relations Act.

They would have to be totally committed to the abolition of PC thoughtcrime - one of the greatest evils in society today.

A society where increasingly you just can't say anything.

London Orbital

If your experience of Asians extends to one Muslim who works in a pre-school then you really don't know a great deal about them, or why being white & living in a predominantly Asian area is a highly undesirable state of existence.

Yes, I know there are call centres in Delhi - & insofar as these are utilised by UK-based companies it is putting working class people here out of work.

If you believe in 'socialism in one country' then you ought to agree with this point - unless you are actually a free-market globaliser in disguise.

Indeed, for the life of me I cannot fathom why the UK trades unions do not protect the interests of their members & energetically oppose uncontrolled immigration.

I suppose they are scared of being called 'racist' or being deemed politically incorrect.

Your point about toilets and West Indians is pretty insulting to West Indians, if I may say so.

The West Indians represented the very first wave of post-war immigrants. This country needed to be rebuilt after the destruction of the war. There was more work to be done than anyone here could handle. There were jobs in construction, in hospitals, in public transport.

Throughout the 1950s & 1960s there was full employment in this country and - despite Enoch Powell's warnings - immigration was relatively under control. Nearly all of it came from former colonies and there was some justice in this. Perhaps Britain owed these people something, especially since men from right across the Empire had joined in the war effort. The first West Indians came here as servicemen during the latter years of the war.

Those immigrants that came then were not so great in number that they could not integrate; & by and large they did so, very successfully. The first generation of Asians and blacks in this country are mostly very decent people who have contributed a great deal - they always worked whenever they could & deserve to have a decent retirement now.

Interestingly, many of them are opposed to immigration. A Times poll last year showed that 70% of Britons - including 45% of blacks & 47% of Asians - believe too many people are being let into this country.

But to return to the subject of toilets, I have no objection at all to cleaning them, professionally or otherwise - providing other people take a turn at this
task as well.

While having an argument with some middle class people the other day, I was told - yet again - that immigrants were doing the jobs that I didn't want to do.

The middle classes seem to forget how insulting this attitude actually is to immigrants & why this mindset creates social tensions. After all, if you are part of an 'underclass' wouldn't you resent it?

I replied that I didn't mind at all doing these jobs - of course, I expect
they were thinking of how useful & inexpensive their cut-price child-minders and cheap plumbers are & how didn't want the seemingly limitless supply of these drones & helpers to dry up.

The real culprit, though, is welfarism. No-one - of any ethnicity - should have the right to sit about claiming benefits, yet refusing to take what work is available. Equally, employers - in my view - should not have the right to recruit people from overseas if there are people already here qualified to do the job.

I'm afraid I don't get your point about Hitler. Do you mean I would have been sad that he had shot himself in the head & therefore disliked everything that followed his death?

If so, I guess you've just found another way to call me a 'nazi'. But this a pointless thing to say, even to someone who is recommending compulsory repatriation.

The Nazis did a lot worse than just repatriate people.

If humans really did originate from Africa it doesn't worry me in the slightest, since you ask. It hardly seems relevant to the races & cultures - and the obvious differences between them - that exist today. And if this is a way of saying we are all 'brothers under the skin' then it doesn't seem a very interesting observation.

There are very clear differences between cultures and just piling everyone together in a sort of multi-ethnic, multicultural nothing of a society creates great unhappiness & disorientation.

Wowbanger TIP

Ahhhh. A real live self confessed communist, one of British politics rarest beasts.

I will now demonstrate the utility of modern nationalism by dismantling every single one of these points without ever stepping near the edge of the moral high ground. Given the particularly poor nature of the specimen in question anything less than a PERFECT!, as we of the Play Station generation used to say, should be considered a humiliating failure.

We will be using the more difficult "defense" strategy whereby we answer each point without going onto the offensive and attacking the opponents position. Tricky and risky but showing infinite class, anything less in such a mismatch would be unsporting.

"No-where benefits from racial intolerance"

This is historically incorrect, the American Deep South benefited immensely from racial intolerance, so long as you were white and rich. In Africa the Tutsi ruling minority class benefited to a colossal extent from their intolerant racial attitude to the majority Hutu population, for a while at least.

But this is of course the problem of multi ethnic societies, someone has to be on top and this breeds resentment and abuse. Eventually manifesting itself in slaughter on a grand scale. Which is why nationalism opposes multi culturalism on the Benethamite ground of "the greatest good for the greatest number", in the interests of equality and in order to minimize the chance of civil war on humanitarian grounds.

"Remember Hitler, who ended up shooting himself in the head? You hated what happened next, I should be guessing"

As a nationalist I celebrate the events of the Second World War and regard them as one of the finest hours of nationalism. The defeat of fascism and totalitarianism by the people of Europe fighting as nation states under their national flags against tremendous odds is a testament to the power of nationalism as a force for good.

As for hating what happened next. I am not so happy with the outcome in Western Europe with the continent being subject to the worst excess of capitalism and materialism. However as a nationalist I am not responsible for this since nationalism was replaced by the new orthodoxy immediately after the war.

NOTE: Here we are resisting the gapping opportunity to give it to the communist on the score of the fate of post war Eastern Europe and also foregoing the opportunity to claim the "velvet revolutions" for the nationalist events they were.

"Besides, Asians do helpful jobs. There are call-centers in Delhi, I know a Muslim who works at a pre-school."

Nationalism does not have a strong objection to call centers in Delhi, except where they are creating poverty in indigenous British communities. This is the standard restriction placed on capitalism by nationalism. Asians (assuming from the Muslim comment we are referring to South Asians)in fact overwhelming work in the low skilled service industries; taxi drivers, restaurant business and shop work when they are not unemployed (Bangladeshis have the highest rates of unemployment of any ethnic group), these jobs are a net drain on the economy. Those Asians in better paid jobs almost invariably work in the public sector, NHS and community projects (as in the case of the example you give) again making no contribution to UKPLC and representing a net drain. That Muslims work for the state servicing their own community at British tax payers expense is hardly a benefit to Britain.

"And perhaps if people like you had actually taken jobs like cleaning toilets, then there wouldn't be people originating from the West Indies in Britain"

Note: strongly resisting temptation to mock the contempt exhibited towards the proletarian job of toilet maintenance and the British working class in general.

Perhaps if the UK had no lost so many fine young men in the battle against fascism then it would not have been necessary to replace them with West Indians? That capitalists sought to distort the labour market and suppress British workers wages by importing very cheap labour at an incredible social cost is not something to be celebrated. Moreover even serious members of the African Hertitage community acknowledge that their migration to Britain has come at a massive cost and the culture which has devoloped among the community is a problem for everyone. Chris Rock in particular has been more than forthright on this problem in the context of America.

"BNP blindness to the causes of what they are against never fails to amaze me."

I think we have established that we are well aware of the causes. Not that I am a member of the BNP.

"Oh, and humans originate from Africa. So you have African blood. How do you feel about that"

Fine, That event happened 200,000 to 60,000 years ago and has no relevance to nationalism what-so-ever. We are immediately related to all the Great Ape family, and slightly more distantly to all the species of mammals as well, what are we supposed to politically draw from this, that dolphins should have the right to live in Fulham?

Nationalism is draws its inspiration from history not biology.