For_England

I heard that twenty percent of UKIPers have some sympathy with the BNP. That's not alot, but it's not insignificant either. BNP has the more dedicated foot soldiers, and is addressing issues that people are increasingly concerned about. Let's face it, however bad the EU is, most people just don't associate it with their lives. They don't ask whether their fortnightly rubbish collection has anything to do with foreigners in Brussels. But they see quite readily that immigration is absolutely destroying the country and tearing it apart, and so they want a party that will give them a voice. The BNP certainly could use UKIP - but only via a transfer of membership so that they could benefit from the extra finances. Working with UKIP in fighting elections would be a waste of time - they are much better off trying to attract voters from the big parties, and those who don't vote. Sooner or later, if the UKIP vote doesn't pick up, the party will have to call it quits. I suspect they are pinning their hopes on the 09 Euro elections, and it is essential that the BNP see them off and finish them off, if possible, to clear the way for themselves as the only patriotic vote.

Westcountryman

In the higly unlikely event of the BNP 'finishing UKIP off' (and I'm sure I'll stop laughing in a minute), I'd sooner vote Tory again than vote BNP.

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For_England

we'll see who will be laughing in 09, won't we. I made my prediction, now, when it counts: when short-sighted people laugh at it.

Millennium3

The party name issue would be overcome because all of those involved would campaign under the same banner - 'British Independence and Democracy Alliance' proved the most popular in the previous poll.

The constituencies would need to be divided between the three parties [based on where they were strongest] and for that party to take the lead in that constituency under the BI&DP banner. Ideally members of the 'non lead party' in the area would help the lead party in the campaign. However, if some were unable to do this because of a previously held scruple or dislike - then they could help out their own party in the nearest constituency where their party was taking the lead.

Perhaps some of these squabbles would be put aside for the greater good.

Richard Ansell

In my experience the vast majority of UKIP members have a lot more sympathy for the Tory Party than the BNP. Talk of working with an organisation, which if not actually racist, certainly has a racial agenda is a pipe dream!

Laurie James

Whatever one view is of working with the B.N.P.can anyone realistically see it happening!!. Members on both sides constantaly seem to snipe at each other and the BNP especially seem to hate everything about UKIP at least thats the impression one gets from their postings nor only on this forum but any where
else they have the opportunity. Dream On

Millennium3

RA wrote:

‘In my experience the vast majority of UKIP members have a lot more sympathy for the Tory Party than the BNP. Talk of working with an organisation, which if not actually racist, certainly has a racial agenda is a pipe dream!’

LJ wrote:

‘Whatever one view is of working with the B.N.P.can anyone realistically see it happening!!. Members on both sides constantaly seem to snipe at each other and the BNP especially seem to hate everything about UKIP at least thats the impression one gets from their postings nor only on this forum but any where
else they have the opportunity. Dream On.’

Both are expressing the same truth that the history of the anti EU movement indicates that there is not a hope of those who want Britain to leave the UK will work together over the next 18 - 24 months even though, realistically, it is the only way that the Reform Treaty might be staved off and even then it is a slim hope.

Also, realistically, if the Reform Treaty is fully approved and becomes law without a major demonstation that this is not what the British people want, our membership of the EU and Britain’s fate will be sealed as a province of a United States of Europe - with as much chance of escaping as Florida has of escaping from the USA or Cornwall from England.

Although only 22 people have voted so far, just 3 [15%] of the 20 who have expressed an opinion have been able to bring themselves to vote ‘no’ that anti EU parties should not work together at the next general election. I believe that this is because, deep down, we all know this is our last chance.

Millennium3

Just in case you hadn't noticed where this was moved to - it's here.

For_England

Someone's already pointed out that even if all the groups did work together, it is doubtful it would be anywhere near strong enough to stop the EU. I reject the UKIP because it it is racist party committed to the forced ethnocide and transformation of the English people into a coffee-coloured third-world population. Why would I wish to work with such traitors? We have lost the battle this time round, but the lack of the vote will cost the establishment dearly at the next Euro elections, and it is important that the BNP does what it can to secure a strong vote and see off pseudo-nationalist parties. The BNP's appeal for now is mainly to the working class, and we need a nationalist party that can appeal to the upper and middle class. But UKIP, with its policy of an 'independent and third-world Britain' is not it.

Millennium3

Do you think the three policies in the package can be criticised in the way you have UKIP?