Andrew Constantine

The main media go for the headline story on the polls to discuss whether it's Brown or Cameron in front.

But look at the polls for the other parties: consistently now in double figures. That's voters supporting UKIP, English Democrats and others. United we would have the pro-EU Lib Dems in our sights.

On another thread there was discusssion on "UKIP beating the English Democrats" in Portsmouth. In fact both of our parties lost badly.

If UKIP's patriots in England would fight under English colours... then we would be a real force in all elections.

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A66

It would be great to see all the true Unionist parties unite on an anti-EU ticket, this woulod however exclude the vote splitting English Democrats/SNP as they are not Unionist & SNP ( ED's new best friends ) are pro-EU. Ukip/BNP would be a real threat.

22ANDUK

I've always supported this. Though my options would not involve the BNP.

I'd like to see UKIP and the Democratic Unionist Party, with the EDP too if they were interested, trial a period of years and a General Election as on an 'alliance' syndicate, with a view of a full, gradual merger if successful. I'd be happy for the Cornerstone Group of Tories to join this too.

The UKIP and DUP could work well together, once Paisley was out of the picture. Additionally, any defections to this new group from the Liberal Democrats and Labour (people like Austin Mitchell) could prove useful in 'rounding' the movement. At first they'd be some uneasy bedfellows, but a powerful opponent in the form of the EU would be a uniting factor.

In terms of minor parties elements of the English Democrat Party would be attracted to this too. And anything gained in attracting people from the Liberal Party, Veritas etc would also help balance views.

Millennium3

None of the anti EU parties are going to have any success at the next election in terms of Westinster seats - the GE is only 18 months away!

If an Anti EU Alliance were formed, soon, with a very limited programme - it might be possible to get a few representatives elected.

Britannist

If UKIP did not exist some of the parties with seats in the House of Commons would be much more pro-EU than they already are. It is the fear of losing votes to UKIP in key marginal constituencies which is preventing the europhiles in those parties from pushing hard for their party leaders to back the speedy entry of the UK into the euro.

The key to UKIP or anti-EU alliance (of which UKIP is a part) winning one seat or more in the House of Commons is for UKIP or an anti-EU alliance to work hard at local level in key target constituencies (i.e. to get local councillors elected). Voters are much more likely to vote for a party which has local councillors in their area and one which sends leaflets to them regularly.

Millennium3

You don't think the fact that the majority want a referendum on the Reform Treaty and that the issue is likely to remain in the news until the next election provides a window of opportunity to focus on the EU!

ANGLO-STAFFS

I actually half agree with you. Not the first part of your post. We are in the EU, I don't see that it matters 'how far in we are'. I am not sure that UKIP is putting the brakes on the EURO, a bit like a maiden aunt telling you not to get completely pregnant.

Your second point, I have said this in the past, is a potential disaster entirely of UKIP's own making. UKIP must have councillors, any sort county, metro, parish. The EU and Euro WILL NOT put them there. Neither will turning up once every four years and saying "Remember us?"
I have said elsewhere out of 21 elections this month UKIP will be standing in one (1).
What is more worrying is that even in districts where they stood in May they have been unable to get anyone to stand.

rjt

I am sure that for once the EU would have been a big issue had we had an election this year but we could now have to wait until 2009 maybe 2010. Even then I think the issue would have been at best joint third with imigration and behind Health and Education.

It will take considerable work to keep this issue in the public eye now although the Governemnt is in for a rough few months if they ratify without a referendum.

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Raymond Finch

Anglo-Staffs.

Regarding the second point. I completely agree with you. We need to stand for EVERYTHING. As far as Hampshire goes (the county I represent) we will stand everywhere, every time if at all humanly possible. There is a council by-election in Winchester next month. We will be there. If you spot any I miss, please feel free to let me know. My colleagues elsewhere on the south coast are also pushing for all elections to be contested by UKIP. However, as the party did not previously have a policy specifically of standing in local elections then we are having a bit of a slow start. Some in the branches need to be persuaded to "**** or get off the pot" if I may use such a crude term.
As you so rightly say, turning up once every 4 years will not induce the electorate to support us. As I always say "If we do not support them, then why should they support us?"

steve fowler

I agree with you raymond as standing for ukip in any election next year for me will be my first and i am looking at my parish council currently so ive got the message about standing at local levels i just hope ukip policys come out soon as possible i dont want to be on a single issue policy.