Voting UKip: putting party or country first?

WestBromBlogger · 05-10-2007, 12:41 PM

I wrote this blog post yesterday and I have posted It on here in a deliberate attempt to whip up a debate.

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The question has been around for a while now, if Gordon calls a snap election will UKIP take its usual stance of confronting the Tories in as many seats as possible – and sabotage the only hope of a referendum – or is it going to throw its weight behind them? This morning Nigel Farage gave his reply on the Today programme, making his strongest hint yet that he would be prepred to to a deal with Cameron.

So as UKIP heads into its conference have the ego-driven leaders at UKIP finally seen the light and decided to put country before party? Realised that a vote for UKIP is a defacto vote for Labour? Or has any descion to back Cameron stemed from the fact that the party is in dissaray finacially, its local organisation is in tatters (after mass defections) and it has very few candidates? Take your pick of reasons.

But even the most mad of the Kipper's must see the light now, a vote for UKIP is a vote for an EU Constituition without a referendum, and once that is passed the only way is an unreturnable march into a European superstate. So UKIPpers what do you care about; your country or your party?
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SuperiorSteve · 05-10-2007, 12:53 PM

Well, I think you always have to put your Country first, although we have always had tribal identities so we have more in common with UKIPers than we do with many other people throughout the Country so it is easy to put our Party first sometimes.

Populist Lee · 05-10-2007, 01:00 PM

I have have never been able to comprehend why anyone can think a vote for the Tories is voting for anything other than further EU integration.

But if enough people fall for the line that a "Vote for UKIP is a Vote for Labour/Brown/the EU", I suppose they deserve what they get.

SuperiorSteve · 05-10-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Populist Lee

I have have never been able to comprehend why anyone can think a vote for the Tories is voting for anything other than further EU integration.

But if enough people fall for the line that a "Vote for UKIP is a Vote for Labour/Brown/the EU", I suppose they deserve what they get.

I totally agree, they are either naive, stupid or traitors. Either way, yes they deserve everything they get. They just shouldn't force us to live with their pathetic decisions.

Millennium3 · 05-10-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Populist Lee

I have have never been able to comprehend why anyone can think a vote for the Tories is voting for anything other than further EU integration.

But if enough people fall for the line that a "Vote for UKIP is a Vote for Labour/Brown/the EU", I suppose they deserve what they get.

I do find this arguement difficult to understand at the present time. I agree that, had it not been for the promise of a referendum on the debilitating amendments to the constitution, there would be no grounds whatsoever for supporting the Tories, but the game is more or less up if the referendum is signed and sealed.

Your arguement might hold if you know that we could get ourselves out of the EU after the amendements have been approved - if so please let me know, because I have been asking this question for a while now - with no response!

kernow · 05-10-2007, 01:32 PM

Tell me Millennum 3, are you an ex Tory ? who is in actual fact still a Tory? who is trying to assist their party by swinging the UKIP vote? Or are you a genuine Ukipper who thinks the best way forward is for the anti EU movement to back the Tories?

Millennium3 · 05-10-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kernow

Tell me Millennum 3, are you an ex Tory ? who is in actual fact still a Tory? who is trying to assist their party by swinging the UKIP vote? Or are you a genuine Ukipper who thinks the best way forward is for the anti EU movement to back the Tories?

Never been a Tory, never voted Tory - surely K you can see these are very special and very unusual circumstances.

rjt · 05-10-2007, 01:55 PM

All i would say is listen to what comes from the heart and do what you think is right for the country.

tito · 05-10-2007, 03:51 PM

UKIP don't stand against Eurosceptic Tories.

Britannist · 05-10-2007, 08:17 PM

"UKIP not ready for election" - hostile article in lefty magazine

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SuperiorSteve Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southampton Posts: 693	Well, I think you always have to put your Country first, although we have always had tribal identities so we have more in common with UKIPers than we do with many other people throughout the Country so it is easy to put our Party first sometimes. __________________ "Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life" Cecil Rhodes

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rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,481	All i would say is listen to what comes from the heart and do what you think is right for the country. __________________ Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO! (Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990) Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.

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Populist Lee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,247 Party: Other	I have have never been able to comprehend why anyone can think a vote for the Tories is voting for anything other than further EU integration. But if enough people fall for the line that a "Vote for UKIP is a Vote for Labour/Brown/the EU", I suppose they deserve what they get.

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kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,183	Tell me Millennum 3, are you an ex Tory ? who is in actual fact still a Tory? who is trying to assist their party by swinging the UKIP vote? Or are you a genuine Ukipper who thinks the best way forward is for the anti EU movement to back the Tories?