A Modest Proposal

g hall · 28-09-2007, 09:20 PM

Tom as a UKIP member NO NO NO NOT EVER and I am sure many people will agree that we would be selling ourselves for 33 pieces of silver

Chip · 28-09-2007, 10:16 PM

Camoran is in deep cow muck with his party and he is expected to change all the green issues at the party meet. He is also expected to go back to tax cuts, grammar schools, real law and order etc. If he does not he has been told in no uncertain words that his party will disintegrate. He is not in a position to talk to anyone and I would also leave UKIP if we started attempting to deals with any Euro loving facists.

kernow · 29-09-2007, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RTSTN

Very honest post.

In another thread I said that before the next Euro election some UKIP MEPs will attempt to jump ship to the Tories in an attempt to retain their seats.
Hoping to have some sort of vague promise of a referendum about UK's membership of the EU to justify their move to the Tories.

What you have wrote only reinforces this idea.

Wide scale cooperation with the Tories what you are suggesting would see many ex Tory UKIPers return to the Conservative party.

Cameron is as much a Euro fanatic as Brown, if UKIP did do what you suggest then UKIP might as well call it a day.

You're absolutely right! In my opion if only a couple of UKIP MEPs jumped ship it would be the end of the party!

Anthony Butcher · 29-09-2007, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kernow

You're absolutely right! In my opion if only a couple of UKIP MEPs jumped ship it would be the end of the party!

UKIP has already lost three MEPs, and despite the on-going negative media coverage this brings, the party is still there.

Many people would suggest that the party would be better off without some of the MEPs.... and if they jump ship before the EU elections it will just clear the way for someone else on the list to get elected.

kernow · 29-09-2007, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

Many people would suggest that the party would be better off without some of the MEPs.... and if they jump ship before the EU elections it will just clear the way for someone else on the list to get elected.

It would also pass the message that the rats are leaving the sinking UKIP ship, so no point in joining or voting for!

Anthony Butcher · 29-09-2007, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kernow

It would also pass the message that the rats are leaving the sinking UKIP ship, so no point in joining or voting for!

True, there is that risk. However political defections aren't that uncommon so I don't think that it would be a devastating blow.

Stephen Booth · 29-09-2007, 12:15 PM

In my opinion for Gordon Brown to call an early election seems pointless. He still has three years to run, and a large majority in Parliament. He can do what he likes. Calling an early election could reduce his majority, and then he would look stupid.

Perhaps he has in mind the 1978 Jim Callaghan 'Winter of Discontent' scenario. Polls can shift down as well as up. Not that David Cameron is going to win, but from G. Brown's point of view, perhaps a better strategy would be to leave the 'Heir to Blair' in place and let him do more damage to the Conservative Party.

Really Brown would do better to give himself time for his own distinctive style of politics to take effect. Going early is an admission that he hasn't really got what it takes, and cannot wait around long enough for the electorate to find out.

Re the 'Modest Proposal':
UKIP should concentrate its resources on campaigning in the areas where it does best in the local elections.

There may be scope for a covert tactical voting campaign to support Eurosceptic Tory MPs, somewhere in the background.

28-09-2007, 09:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: erewhon Posts: 5,638	Tom as a UKIP member NO NO NO NOT EVER and I am sure many people will agree that we would be selling ourselves for 33 pieces of silver __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful." TANSTAAFL TANJ

29-09-2007, 12:15 PM	#17 (permalink)
Stephen Booth Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Galgate, Lancaster Posts: 202 Party: None	In my opinion for Gordon Brown to call an early election seems pointless. He still has three years to run, and a large majority in Parliament. He can do what he likes. Calling an early election could reduce his majority, and then he would look stupid. Perhaps he has in mind the 1978 Jim Callaghan 'Winter of Discontent' scenario. Polls can shift down as well as up. Not that David Cameron is going to win, but from G. Brown's point of view, perhaps a better strategy would be to leave the 'Heir to Blair' in place and let him do more damage to the Conservative Party. Really Brown would do better to give himself time for his own distinctive style of politics to take effect. Going early is an admission that he hasn't really got what it takes, and cannot wait around long enough for the electorate to find out. Re the 'Modest Proposal': UKIP should concentrate its resources on campaigning in the areas where it does best in the local elections. There may be scope for a covert tactical voting campaign to support Eurosceptic Tory MPs, somewhere in the background. __________________ Britain Out of Europe Now !

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28-09-2007, 10:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
Chip Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: North West UK Posts: 598	Camoran is in deep cow muck with his party and he is expected to change all the green issues at the party meet. He is also expected to go back to tax cuts, grammar schools, real law and order etc. If he does not he has been told in no uncertain words that his party will disintegrate. He is not in a position to talk to anyone and I would also leave UKIP if we started attempting to deals with any Euro loving facists.