Westcountryman

No, everything is not 'hunkydory', but then I challenge you to find a country where it is.

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Hartlepool

What has that got to do with it?

Challenges eh?

Well two can play at that game,firstly to respond to your silly little challenge,I never said anything about other county's so why do you involve the rest of the world because I made a statement that all was not hunkydory here?

Can I suggest something to you and the others who like to be different by calling themselves Libertarians?

Libertarianism can never work,and you probably know that it cant ever work as well dont you?

Try to be realistic.

An example of the Libertarians in action would be good as well,is that possible in this world?

We have enough people in our country giving things away,without encouraging rediculous ideals like Libertarian ones.

Westcountryman

I'm sorry, I didn't realise that personal freedom was a 'rediculous' (sic) idea. Do you support ID Cards then?

For starters I don't even advocate a wholly libertarian society (eg. unregulated markets) - I want to keep the big nose of the state out of my business.

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Westcountryman

If we have controlled borders, how do you explain the fact we have illegal immgrants here?

Influence is not the same as power.

A population of 60m+ and rising on such a small island is overcrowding in my book.

Successive British governments have handed various powers over to the EU. Fact.

Blair is no longer the PM, we have a new one, and yet we are still campaigning in two countries.

Why can other countries, who have a lot less money than us, provide better state pensions for their senior citizens?

When did you last see a road sweeper? How often do you see a copper on the beat? Why are refuse collections being cut back yet council tax bills keep rising? Our public services are nothing to brag about when compared to other western democracies

Everything I wrote is fact, whether you like it or not. I accept you may be an apologist for the British state, but face facts, Britain is in a terrible state.

Do you feel safe on the streets of Britain? Do you think the economy is in a healthy state? Are schools and hospitals delivering top quality service? Is public transport in Britain the best you've ever seen?

I defy you to say yes to any of the above.

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Westcountryman

Because when they get through the borders, they then choose to stay illegally. It's not exactly easy to track these people down.

No, but then we can't afford a military akin to that of the USA.

Fair enough. Personally all I see is green fields for miles and miles (which I'd rather see protected, obviously).

Sure, I don't think anyone would deny that. It's also possible to get these powers back.

It would be irresponsible to just arbitrarily remove our troops.

Got any examples? Are their other public services as good as ours?

I see them every day. Of course, it would also help if people actually put things in the bin.

Every day. My village enjoys a PC and two PCSOs. I seem them out and about 7 days a week. We even have a traffic warden.

Mine are still once a week, ask the authorities that are actually cutting back.

Not so sure.

"Britiain is in a terrible state". Er, no. Compared to a lot of the rest of the world - such as Countries that currently can't feed their populations etc we're doing quite well.

Yes, I have happily walked the streets late at night/early in the morning in the likes of Cardiff, Plymouth, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Guildford and London (among others). I'm still here.

I think we're doing fairly well, especially compared to the Eurozone at the moment.

No, but then I want to see hospitals privatised. Schools should be privatised too.

No, it's rubbish. Both the privately run and publicly run services are rubbish. The rail network is in dire need of updating, capacity desperately needs to be increased and something really needs to be done about the buses.

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Northumbrian

Ever thought of electronic tagging?

Wouldn't want one

But even just to build a few houses in these green fields requires a lot in energy and resources.

But then, when would it arbitrarily be the right time?

Sure, and I suppose Albania is doing better than Ethiopia. It's when you realise we could do much better, is the problem.

Is that because you can afford it?

Westcountryman

Ever thought of the cost? Are you going to tag every person who visits the UK?

We agree on something then.

Most things do.

When they can fend for themselves.

There's always room for improvement.

The money I'd save through tax cuts would more than pay for my health insurance. As for schools, I want to see the 'voucher' system introduced - it works well in Sweden.

BBC NEWS | Education | Swedish parents enjoy school choice

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Northumbrian

I actually just threw 'electronic tagging' up in the air for a reaction.

I don't know what the cost would be. But could it more than an ID card scheme for 60 million people?

Westcountryman

I don't know. I oppose ID cards anyway, and not just on grounds of the cost.

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