Crewe and Nantwich by-election

Andrew Constantine · 24-05-2008, 10:37 AM

I have read with interest the articles in today's papers about why Labour lost the Crewe and Nantwich by-election. None of these I have seen make the obvious - and I believe main point - that the English people in a post-devolution UK do not want a Scottish MP in the office of England's First Minister.

If you think Labour has passed its sell-by date in England, it is just as true in Scotland.

If England's deliverance has to be by way of brave Scots wanting their national independence, and cracking open the Union, then while I would rather that we English had fought for our independence and democracy, we will still gain our ends.

Westcountryman · 24-05-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

I have read with interest the articles in today's papers about why Labour lost the Crewe and Nantwich by-election. None of these I have seen make the obvious - and I believe main point - that the English people in a post-devolution UK do not want a Scottish MP in the office of England's First Minister.

That's because it's not the main point.

I'd wager that people are sick of New Labour's lies and spin, political correctness, the economy, high tax, ID cards, crime, 42 day detention, Iraq etc etc.

Andrew Constantine · 24-05-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Westcountryman

That's because it's not the main point.

I'd wager that people are sick of New Labour's lies and spin, political correctness, the economy, high tax, ID cards, crime, 42 day detention, Iraq etc etc.

The skilled working class - living mainly in Crewe - seem to have abandoned Labour. I cannot see the future ID cards project, the proposed 42 days detention rules and Iraq being primary concerns here.

So the question I was exploring was whether the result was primarily a revolt against Labour or Gordon Brown. To the extent it was the latter, how much of the rejection was due to his Scottish nationality?

By the nature of these things, there cannot be a definitive answer. I think it played a part as one of the main points, but I agree with your correction that it would not have been "the main point".

Westcountryman · 24-05-2008, 05:21 PM

You are seriously deluded if you think the reason Gordon Brown is unpopular due to his nationality.

Check the BBC Have Your Say on the by-election, I doubt his nationality is raised once. The issues I suggested however, are mentioned multiple times - including ID Cards and 42 day detention.

cassie · 24-05-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Westcountryman

You are seriously deluded if you think the reason Gordon Brown is unpopular due to his nationality.

Check the BBC Have Your Say on the by-election, I doubt his nationality is raised once. The issues I suggested however, are mentioned multiple times - including ID Cards and 42 day detention.

I suspect that you're the one who is deluded! The number of times I've heard complaints about government actions followed by disapproving references to Scots presiding over them!

Do you really expect to obtain a true picture from a BBC moderated website? I think you are deluded here also!

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Westcountryman · 24-05-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cassie

I suspect that you're the one who is deluded! The number of times I've heard complaints about government actions followed by disapproving references to Scots presiding over them!

Do you really expect to obtain a true picture from a BBC moderated website? I think you are deluded here also!

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Sorry I reject that whole line of argument. It is Labour's policies, not Gordon Brown's nationality, that people are voting on.

cassie · 24-05-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Westcountryman

Sorry I reject that whole line of argument. It is Labour's policies, not Gordon Brown's nationality, that people are voting on.

Noted, but you'll have to do much better than that to convince anyone that your 'rejection' is at all accurate!

When things go wrong, it is a common feature of many (most?) people's reaction that they attribute some, if not all, of the blame to differences! Unlike other politicians, Brown is seen by the vast majority of voters in England as both dour and Scottish!

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Populist Lee · 24-05-2008, 11:08 PM

Hmm.

I've noticed it.
After slagging off Brown and his policies, more and more people are adding a sly reference to him being a Scot.

Independence Now! · 25-05-2008, 03:36 PM

Which just goes to show how stupid some people are. The problem with Gordon Brown is that he is an idiot who has the wrong policies not that he comes from Scotland. Perhaps, these people would rather have a muslim suicide bomber for PM instead of a Scotsman and fellow Briton?

cassie · 25-05-2008, 03:50 PM

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Which just goes to show how stupid some people are. The problem with Gordon Brown is that he is an idiot who has the wrong policies not that he comes from Scotland. Perhaps, these people would rather have a muslim suicide bomber for PM instead of a Scotsman and fellow Briton?

Would you kindly explain to us lesser mortals how the alternative to a "Scotsman and fellow Briton" is restricted to a "muslim suicide bomber for PM"? Some of us are under the impression that we might have a truly representative Englishman instead, but you seem to know something that we don't. Perhaps you were told by voices in your head?

Er um? You wouldn't happen to be Scottish by any chance?

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24-05-2008, 10:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
Andrew Constantine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 867 Party: Free England Party	Crewe and Nantwich by-election I have read with interest the articles in today's papers about why Labour lost the Crewe and Nantwich by-election. None of these I have seen make the obvious - and I believe main point - that the English people in a post-devolution UK do not want a Scottish MP in the office of England's First Minister. If you think Labour has passed its sell-by date in England, it is just as true in Scotland. If England's deliverance has to be by way of brave Scots wanting their national independence, and cracking open the Union, then while I would rather that we English had fought for our independence and democracy, we will still gain our ends. __________________ Andrew Constantine Free England Party - Independence for England http://www.freeengland.com http://freeengland.blogspot.com Signatory to The English Claim of Right http://englishclaimofright.com

24-05-2008, 05:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
Westcountryman Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Westcountry. Posts: 5,922 Party: None	You are seriously deluded if you think the reason Gordon Brown is unpopular due to his nationality. Check the BBC Have Your Say on the by-election, I doubt his nationality is raised once. The issues I suggested however, are mentioned multiple times - including ID Cards and 42 day detention. __________________ Manus haec inimica tyrannis ense petit placidam sub libertate quietam - "This hand of mine, which is hostile to tyrants, seeks by the sword quiet peace under liberty."

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Populist Lee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,911 Party: Other	Hmm. I've noticed it. After slagging off Brown and his policies, more and more people are adding a sly reference to him being a Scot. __________________ ENGLISH POPULISM Stands as the only obstacle in the path of the Plutocrats who seek to reduce all the Peoples of the World to Economic and Political Slavery under Globalism POPULISM MEANS WHAT YOU WANT IS WHAT YOU GET

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25-05-2008, 03:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
Independence Now! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,096	Which just goes to show how stupid some people are. The problem with Gordon Brown is that he is an idiot who has the wrong policies not that he comes from Scotland. Perhaps, these people would rather have a muslim suicide bomber for PM instead of a Scotsman and fellow Briton?