Creating institutions

Northumbrian · 23-05-2008, 05:05 PM

If we are honest, we probably won’t see English independence for a very long time... or an English parliament….nor leave the EU…. if ever.

So if you view this as a quest where there is no end in sight, it could be easy to become disillusioned and think it’s a waste of time.

We must therefore find fulfilment in what we do now. The Labour and Conservative parties, for example, not only run party branches but social clubs. So if we get into a position where we can set up branches, we can’t just view them as a political institution, but as a social one as well. Places where people meet up, make friends and enjoy themselves. Yes, there would be time for politics such as running campaigns etc. but this should not be the sole pursuit.

Only if we can create a situation where people want to meet other party members locally, can we hope to be able to develop the party fully.

BonnieDundee · 24-05-2008, 03:10 AM

There is an old anarchist or libertarian socialist idea of creating the institutions of the future society within the shell of the old. It has struck me as always a good move.

interceptor470 · 27-05-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Northumbrian

If we are honest, we probably won’t see English independence for a very long time... or an English parliament….nor leave the EU…. if ever.

So if you view this as a quest where there is no end in sight, it could be easy to become disillusioned and think it’s a waste of time.

We must therefore find fulfilment in what we do now. The Labour and Conservative parties, for example, not only run party branches but social clubs. So if we get into a position where we can set up branches, we can’t just view them as a political institution, but as a social one as well. Places where people meet up, make friends and enjoy themselves. Yes, there would be time for politics such as running campaigns etc. but this should not be the sole pursuit.

Only if we can create a situation where people want to meet other party members locally, can we hope to be able to develop the party fully.

Will there be a smoking shelter ?

Unionist · 27-05-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

There is an old anarchist or libertarian socialist idea of creating the institutions of the future society within the shell of the old. It has struck me as always a good move.

That reminded me of Marx:

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No social order ever perishes before all the productive forces for which there is room in it have developed; and new, higher relations of production never appear before the material conditions of their existence have matured in the womb of the old society itself. Therefore mankind always sets itself only such tasks as it can solve; since, looking at the matter more closely, it will always be found that the task itself arises only when the material conditions of its solution already exist or are at least in the process of formation. -- K. Marx, Preface to A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy

It is perhaps one of the most famous passages by Marx and certainly an idea he repeated in different contexts.

Northumbrian · 27-05-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by interceptor470

Will there be a smoking shelter ?

No wonder your party's going nowhere if that's the best you can say.

interceptor470 · 27-05-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Northumbrian

No wonder your party's going nowhere if that's the best you can say.

Bloody hell mate it was a joke.

Look if you have certain 'old scores' to settle with some EDP members then fine but im not your enemy.

I was making an attempt to lighten things up a bit between your gang and ours.

cassie · 27-05-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by interceptor470

Bloody hell mate it was a joke.

Look if you have certain 'old scores' to settle with some EDP members then fine but im not your enemy.

I was making an attempt to lighten things up a bit between your gang and ours.

You forgot the smilies!!!!!

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interceptor470 · 27-05-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cassie

You forgot the smilies!!!!!

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Sorry, I did forget the smiles but to be honest why bother even chatting to these guys

BonnieDundee · 28-05-2008, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Unionist

That reminded me of Marx:

It is perhaps one of the most famous passages by Marx and certainly an idea he repeated in different contexts.

Ah Marx, say what you like about him he was indeed one of the greatest of modern thinkers and sometimes amazingly libertarian.

23-05-2008, 05:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
Northumbrian Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England Posts: 1,198 Party: Free England Party	Creating institutions If we are honest, we probably won’t see English independence for a very long time... or an English parliament….nor leave the EU…. if ever. So if you view this as a quest where there is no end in sight, it could be easy to become disillusioned and think it’s a waste of time. We must therefore find fulfilment in what we do now. The Labour and Conservative parties, for example, not only run party branches but social clubs. So if we get into a position where we can set up branches, we can’t just view them as a political institution, but as a social one as well. Places where people meet up, make friends and enjoy themselves. Yes, there would be time for politics such as running campaigns etc. but this should not be the sole pursuit. Only if we can create a situation where people want to meet other party members locally, can we hope to be able to develop the party fully.

24-05-2008, 03:10 AM	#2 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,667	There is an old anarchist or libertarian socialist idea of creating the institutions of the future society within the shell of the old. It has struck me as always a good move. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

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