cassie

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Is this an initiative the FEP might consider pursuing for England: Thats News: Scottish group takes Britain to UN.

See also: The English did not vote on Scots devolution. They must do so on breaking up the Unio

Just a thought?




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Danny

I think also parties like FEP who are the English version of the SNP and Plaid.Will want to have closer ties with these people.We know from statements by Richard Atkins who despises the UK and one who would be shouting from the roof tops and seeing the end of the Union that he will at some stage be sharing platforms with these people thats if he hasnt already.

Richard the Lionheart

The first link says the blog is not found.

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cassie

Try this, with uncorrected spelling: Thats News: Scotish group takes Britian to UN.


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Richard the Lionheart

Thanks Cassie

Interesting development. I will speak to my colleagues to see if we should follow the same path, or wait till the English Independence Convention is up and running.

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cassie

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I think you know my position here well enough Richard but, as a democrat, I find it simply intolerable that public discussion of the various approaches to solving the England Question is so effectively suppressed! Moreover, it has to be said (without wishing to tar all Scots), that it is Scots who are at the forefront of such suppression.

The UN route might open a number of doors, not the least publicity.

It also holds open the prospect of forging links with other Scots who are like-minded ie Scotland First. This, in turn, might lead on to links with the SNP. However, do bear in mind that the SNP [with the exception of the odd MP] have shown no sign to date of wishing to liaise in any way with English nationalists. This maybe in part attributable to their general perception of English nationalists - a factor to be remembered when overtly posting as an English nationalist on fora such as this! Whether it is harmful might be questionable, but the constant niggling here cannot be helpful.

Incidentally, in the interests of balance I would record that the other link shows that it was a Scottish nat [shagpile] who first drew out attention to this particular UN angle. So, credit where it is due!

As far as I am concerned, if it helps to bring about a referendum of voters in England about what THEY wish for England, it will have been very helpful!

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Richard the Lionheart

I'm going to write a section on the new website about this subject and try and bring the issue to the attention of as many people as possible.

I do not have a problems with the Scots campaigning for, and getting an independence referendum. I applaud their efforts. It is up to English nationalists to do likewise.

Without wishing to sound defeatist so early, I think the view of the British government and the unionist parties will be that they will say there is no call in England for an independence referendum and dismiss any opinion we may have, just in the same way Labour have dismissed any and every call for a referendum for an English parliament, and then devote their energies into making sure Scotland votes no to independence.

I have a horrible feeling that, although the UK government may have signed several UN documents, they may not have ratified them.

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cassie

All English nationalists can unite behind calls for public discussion of the England Question and for voters in England to be able to participate in ANY referenda affecting the composition of the UK!

You are correct about this (and previous) mealy-mouthed governments not ratifying conventions which actually recognise rights for the English! They bestow rights on anybody and everyone other than the English - the Race Relations Act 1976 and the Human Rights Act 1998 are two examples! Both give rights to aliens, which not only place them above us, but which have resulted in damage to our society and the diminution of our rights in consequence!

In contrast, this Government's cynical position apropos the Convention on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples has to be seen to be believed. Doubtless they'll be championing the causes of Aborigines etc, but the English can go screw! Bit like their idea of democracy - something to be imposed on the Afghanis and Iraquis and to expend English lives in doing so . . . fewer to vote here in elections!

Forgive my realism if it appears unduly cynical!


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shagpile

May I respectfully suggest that you commission your own oppinion polls from a respected organisation, then present that as your evedence. In so far as the 'British' government are denying the English people due democratic process.

As I suggested to Cassie on another thread, it would work for an English parleament, OR English independence. It would really depend on which proposal has the greater support of the English people.

IMHO, if it were the former, it would not be the end of the world (from the FEP perspective), but a starting point, and the best possible platform for your campain.

If the UK has a permanent seat on the Security Council, I think it's sefe to assume it legally has been.

All the best for your campain