Giving the people a choice of English party

Northumbrian · 15-05-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

A question for Andrew and Richard.Personalites are clearly getting in the way of things at the moment but I would think in 12 months or so things.Will have settled down that will disappear when the main Issue of running a day to day political party takes its root ie cost running an election campaign branches etc a massive task .I do think your problem is going to be that Independence for England simply is not on the radar and I think this will hit home to you very quickly big mistake if you ask me.

When has an Engish parliament ever been on the radar?

Injustice to England is a fact, which ever way you look at it. You either have a choice of the half-hearted measure of creating an English parliament, with more of the politicians you despise, who may or may not care about England;

or you can go for proper surgery to settle the problem with a new nation state.

But there again, what do I know? Hang on - more people voted for me on a pro-independence platform!

Danny · 15-05-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Northumbrian

When has an Engish parliament ever been on the radar?

Injustice to England is a fact, which ever way you look at it. You either have a choice of the half-hearted measure of creating an English parliament, with more of the politicians you despise, who may or may not care about England;

or you can go for proper surgery to settle the problem with a new nation state.

But there again, what do I know? Hang on - more people voted for me on a pro-independence platform!

What a load of rubbish martin.I said in my last post before your post that Indpendence for England isnt on the radar and it isnt.You are losing the debate martin .And are just waffling people wouldnt of cared what was on the ballot paper if they saw that an English party was on it they would put there X against it.They wouldnt even know who FEP were.

Northumbrian · 15-05-2008, 09:49 PM

No, they didn't know who the FEP was but they were made aware of the main policy. Most people received a leaflet.

Ultimately, it's about getting enough people to vote for you to put you in a position of power. No party is more popular than the rest put together. Governments and councils are always formed from minority support. So that gives us as much right to exist as anyone else.

Danny · 15-05-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Northumbrian

No, they didn't know who the FEP was but they were made aware of the main policy. Most people received a leaflet.

Ultimately, it's about getting enough people to vote for you to put you in a position of power. No party is more popular than the rest put together. Governments and councils are always formed from minority support. So that gives us as much right to exist as anyone else.

as I said in another thread its gone to your head martin the next thing you will be telling me you will be in government martin.Yes and I am the pope

Richard the Lionheart · 16-05-2008, 10:23 AM

Danny, you should be supporting the beginning of a new nationalist party, rather than trying to knock us. We have only been going a few months and already we have achieved several targets we set ourselves. I don't pretend for a moment we are the government-in-waiting, but Northumbrian is right to point out successes when they come along, as many people will be all too ready to highlight our faliures when they happen!

Danny · 16-05-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard the Lionheart

Danny, you should be supporting the beginning of a new nationalist party, rather than trying to knock us. We have only been going a few months and already we have achieved several targets we set ourselves. I don't pretend for a moment we are the government-in-waiting, but Northumbrian is right to point out successes when they come along, as many people will be all too ready to highlight our faliures when they happen!

Richard you are a good man so is Andrew and martin.However I will not be a yes man either to FEP or EDP and agree and support everything you do.I post as I see things if you seriously think Independence is on the radar then I am afraid you are sadly mistaken.

Andrew Constantine · 16-05-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Richard you are a good man so is Andrew and martin.However I will not be a yes man either to FEP or EDP and agree and support everything you do.I post as I see things if you seriously think Independence is on the radar then I am afraid you are sadly mistaken.

Danny

Thank you for your good feedback on the Free England Party leadership team.

I know it is demeaning for England to have to depend on another nation, but its future may well be determined by the Scots. You will recall that Wendy Alexander only last weekend was in deep trouble because she called (this on behalf of Scottish Labour!) for Alex Salmond to bring on the Scottish government's Independence referendum.

It has been predicted that Mr Salmond will have the referendum in 2010 or 2011 and if the Tories are then the Union government and having to make spending cuts, my guess is that Salmond might well get his mandate and will then open negotiations with the Union government for Scotland to leave the Union.

So Scottish Independence being the key policy of the present Scottish government, I refute your assertion that independence is not on the radar. That, or your personal radar is rather too short range!

Regards, Andrew

Richard the Lionheart · 16-05-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Richard you are a good man so is Andrew and martin.However I will not be a yes man either to FEP or EDP and agree and support everything you do.I post as I see things if you seriously think Independence is on the radar then I am afraid you are sadly mistaken.

Danny, you are wrong about independence not being on the radar. It is a serious issue that is being discussed at the very highest levels of government. For your information I give you two different sources:

BBC NEWS | Scotland | New row over referendum 'U-turn'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...climbdown.html

While these are not about English independence, they do show that independence is a topical subject, and what happens in Scotland will have an effect on the rest of the union. I am of the opinion that English nationalists should be campaigning for equal rights on referendums. This is the basis of one of Free England's beliefs, that if Scotland get a vote on the future of their nation, then England should also have a say on her own future.

Danny · 16-05-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

Danny

Thank you for your good feedback on the Free England Party leadership team.

I know it is demeaning for England to have to depend on another nation, but its future may well be determined by the Scots. You will recall that Wendy Alexander only last weekend was in deep trouble because she called (this on behalf of Scottish Labour!) for Alex Salmond to bring on the Scottish government's Independence referendum.

It has been predicted that Mr Salmond will have the referendum in 2010 or 2011 and if the Tories are then the Union government and having to make spending cuts, my guess is that Salmond might well get his mandate and will then open negotiations with the Union government for Scotland to leave the Union.

So Scottish Independence being the key policy of the present Scottish government, I refute your assertion that independence is not on the radar. That, or your personal radar is rather too short range!

Regards, Andrew

Andrew you can refute my opinion all you like.If you seriously think that Independence for England is on its way then I think your judgement is I am afraid wrong.Recent opinion polls suggest the moderate centre ground opinion of the people of England dont support Independence.You need to catch yourself on andrew or risk getting left behind.

Danny · 16-05-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard the Lionheart

Danny, you are wrong about independence not being on the radar. It is a serious issue that is being discussed at the very highest levels of government. For your information I give you two different sources:

BBC NEWS | Scotland | New row over referendum 'U-turn'

Gordon Brown forces Wendy Alexander Scottish independence climbdown - Telegraph

While these are not about English independence, they do show that independence is a topical subject, and what happens in Scotland will have an effect on the rest of the union. I am of the opinion that English nationalists should be campaigning for equal rights on referendums. This is the basis of one of Free England's beliefs, that if Scotland get a vote on the future of their nation, then England should also have a say on her own future.

Richard those are just extracts from certain samples I can quote you a recent opinion poll on Independence with just 15 per-cent supporting it.Opinion polls are usually asked in questions being asked dressed up anyway and how they are worded.People dont wake up in the morning and think oh my god we must have Independence.They want to know when the next wage packet is coming in jobs schools the welfare of there children pensions.transport not Independence.You are to hung up on this and if you are not careful.People will dismiss you very quickly as just another one Issue party just like UKIP.

16-05-2008, 10:23 AM	#25 (permalink)
Richard the Lionheart Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 575 Party: Free England Party	Danny, you should be supporting the beginning of a new nationalist party, rather than trying to knock us. We have only been going a few months and already we have achieved several targets we set ourselves. I don't pretend for a moment we are the government-in-waiting, but Northumbrian is right to point out successes when they come along, as many people will be all too ready to highlight our faliures when they happen! __________________ The Free England Party - England's Premier Nationalist Party www.freeengland.com .....Serious about England

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15-05-2008, 09:49 PM	#23 (permalink)
Northumbrian Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England Posts: 992	No, they didn't know who the FEP was but they were made aware of the main policy. Most people received a leaflet. Ultimately, it's about getting enough people to vote for you to put you in a position of power. No party is more popular than the rest put together. Governments and councils are always formed from minority support. So that gives us as much right to exist as anyone else.