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Old 14-05-2008, 10:58 PM   #11 (permalink)
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That's not the information I have, but even if they have now met, then forming a new political party, with someone you have not actually met, is kind of bizarre.
As bizarre as someone joining a political party, who is then immediately nominated as the London Mayor candidate?
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Old 15-05-2008, 07:10 AM   #12 (permalink)
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That's not the information I have, but even if they have now met, then forming a new political party, with someone you have not actually met, is kind of bizarre.

You are an idiot and don't know what you're talking about. Your source of information is obviously faulty. You seem to make these allegations against us on a regular basis without actually substantiating it. You're always trying to put minds in doubt. And anyway, what's it to you sunshine? I would have thought after your pathetic London campaign, your silly racist posters, the loss of numerous party members, not to mention your mountain of debt, you would have better things to worry about, like how you might beat the Monster Raving Loony Party........for once!
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Back to the original topic, I have always said that competition between parties is best. Most minor parties will never get anywhere but competition will sharpen those that might conceivably make it.

Let's face it, the core vote of most minor parties is pretty much zero. They may pick up a few protest votes but that's about it until they are actually well-known. Even UKIP's core vote is pretty small.

If parties are constantly seeking 'alliances' rather than competition we might legitimately wonder why they form separate parties in the first place. If you are confident that you have the right message and your party will resonate with the electorate, give it a go. Joining with others might even drag you down and shift your focus from fighting for voters to 'negotiating' with your supposed allies.
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Old 15-05-2008, 10:25 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Back to the original topic, I have always said that competition between parties is best. Most minor parties will never get anywhere but competition will sharpen those that might conceivably make it.

Let's face it, the core vote of most minor parties is pretty much zero. They may pick up a few protest votes but that's about it until they are actually well-known. Even UKIP's core vote is pretty small.

If parties are constantly seeking 'alliances' rather than competition we might legitimately wonder why they form separate parties in the first place. If you are confident that you have the right message and your party will resonate with the electorate, give it a go. Joining with others might even drag you down and shift your focus from fighting for voters to 'negotiating' with your supposed allies.
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Andrew I really dont think there was any need what so ever for this thread whats its purpose its just plain daft.I totally disagree with you about the fact you fear the EDP will sell out to the tories wheres your evidence of that.??The EDP yes is in a mess but. I am not going to attack them for the sake of it nor I am going to attack the FEP for the sake of it.The EDP policy is for an English parliament within the Union the tories are a million miles way from that policy as is labour and the lib dems and until the three main parties get a grip of the English question and bring sensible fair plans to the table for either discussion or consultation. which could then gain the support of the voters of England and until that happens.The EDP and yes the FEP will just be a little tiny rump of people shouting on the sidelines.The problem for you andrew and richard you have got to far ahead of yourselves.and could well get left behind when the three main parties tackle the English question which they know they will have to do some day.

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You are an idiot and don't know what you're talking about. Your source of information is obviously faulty. You seem to make these allegations against us on a regular basis without actually substantiating it. You're always trying to put minds in doubt. And anyway, what's it to you sunshine? I would have thought after your pathetic London campaign, your silly racist posters, the loss of numerous party members, not to mention your mountain of debt, you would have better things to worry about, like how you might beat the Monster Raving Loony Party........for once!
The fact is Richard that neither yourself, Andrew or Martin have any credible track record in organising candidates to stand in elections or political party infrastructure, until you do so then your crediblity is in doubt.

Out of the three of you then the most destructive person was of course yourself, you effectively destroyed the Hertfordshire Branch of the English Democrats. - There's only so many times you can throw your toys out the pram, without appearing a little foolish.

People should be very, very weary about your true motives for the English Cause as it's all negative stuff at the moment.

Hopefully you will turn it around.
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Back to the original topic, I have always said that competition between parties is best. Most minor parties will never get anywhere but competition will sharpen those that might conceivably make it.

Let's face it, the core vote of most minor parties is pretty much zero. They may pick up a few protest votes but that's about it until they are actually well-known. Even UKIP's core vote is pretty small.

If parties are constantly seeking 'alliances' rather than competition we might legitimately wonder why they form separate parties in the first place. If you are confident that you have the right message and your party will resonate with the electorate, give it a go. Joining with others might even drag you down and shift your focus from fighting for voters to 'negotiating' with your supposed allies.
The Core Vote of "English" Parties is currently as follows:-

1.5% Parliamentary Elections

8% District Council Elections

This is consistent, which ever "Flavour" of English Party is standing
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A question for Andrew and Richard.Personalites are clearly getting in the way of things at the moment but I would think in 12 months or so things.Will have settled down that will disappear when the main Issue of running a day to day political party takes its root ie cost running an election campaign branches etc a massive task .I do think your problem is going to be that Independence for England simply is not on the radar and I think this will hit home to you very quickly big mistake if you ask me.

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The Core Vote of "English" Parties is currently as follows:-

1.5% Parliamentary Elections

8% District Council Elections

This is consistent, which ever "Flavour" of English Party is standing
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The Core Vote of "English" Parties is currently as follows:-

1.5% Parliamentary Elections

8% District Council Elections

This is consistent, which ever "Flavour" of English Party is standing
Have to disagree with that. I can get double figure percentages in a city council election, where the city, let's face it, isn't a hot bed of English nationalism.

If you can only get 8% in a poxy district council election there's something seriously wrong.
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