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Old 11-05-2008, 02:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default "Brown says he won't let UK split" - but no pledge from him for English Parliament

Gordon Brown says he will do everything to maintain the Union of the UK - but he and his party will not establish an English Parliament. Which is the one big thing they could do to stop anti-UK feeling in England increasing (apart from going back to the Unitary State we had before Blair/Labour messed things up with devolution):

Gordon Brown won't let England and Scotland split - Telegraph
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Old 11-05-2008, 10:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Course he wants to maintain the Union, otherwise he would be out of a job!

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Old 11-05-2008, 11:24 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Gordon as an ardent Scottish nationalist, and as one of the worst British politicians and who is ruining England ... is our best recruiting sergeant. It would be a real shame if he resigns or is pushed. I assume the Tories think the same!
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Course he wants to maintain the Union, otherwise he would be out of a job!
His promotion of Britishness in England only fools no one - he does it to try to take attention off the fact that he and his anti-English Labour Party are desperate to suppress feelings of English identity in England and to stop England having equality with Scotland within the UK (i.e. to stop England having her own Parliament to match the powers of the one Gordon Brown helped set up in his home country of Scotland).

Scotsman Tam Dalyell, the former Labour MP, rightly opposed devolution anywhere in the UK - but Brown wants devolution in those parts of the UK where he thinks his Labour Party can win but not in England where more people voted Conservative than Labour at the last General Election.

The anti-English stance of Labour politicians Brown, Falconer, Darling, Alexander and MacShane (all pro-EU) are understandably causing resentment in England and are leading to a rise in anti-UK feeling in England (one the most recent opinion polls on this matter indicated that over a third of voters in England - 11 million people - want England out of the UK).

These people are threatening the continuation and stability of our ancient Union - the very Union of the UK they claim they support.

The UK Labour Government does not understand England and does not care about England or her people.
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Gordon......who is ruining England ...
Yes - he is ruining England. I was talking about the damage (Gordon) Brown is doing to England with a UKIP friend of mine only yesterday. The UKIP member again told me "The Union Jack/Union Flag is no longer used - the Union of the United Kingdom is finished."

I do not think that the Union is finished - and even if Scotland quit the UK the Union of the UK (Northern Ireland, Wales and England) would just carry on without her.

One thing I notice is that Salmond, the leader of the europhile anti-UK Scottish 'National' Party (SNP), is going around these days with a big grin on his face - for he knows that the policies of Brown and Labour in trying to hold down the people of England and stop us having our own Parliament - are leading to a rise in anti-UK feeling in England.

Gordon Brown's devolution in Scotland has helped put the SNP into power in Scotland (something Labour naively thought would never happen) weakening the Union of the UK and his policies in trying to suppress the English identity in England are undermining support for the UK in England.

Non wonder Salmond is smiling.

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His promotion of Britishness in England only fools no one - he does it to try to take attention off the fact that he and his anti-English Labour Party are desperate to suppress feelings of English identity in England and to stop England having equality with Scotland within the UK (i.e. to stop England having her own Parliament to match the powers of the one Gordon Brown helped set up in his home country of Scotland).

Scotsman Tam Dalyell, the former Labour MP, rightly opposed devolution anywhere in the UK - but Brown wants devolution in those parts of the UK where he thinks his Labour Party can win but not in England where more people voted Conservative than Labour at the last General Election.

The anti-English stance of Labour politicians Brown, Falconer, Darling, Alexander and MacShane (all pro-EU) are understandably causing resentment in England and are leading to a rise in anti-UK feeling in England (one the most recent opinion polls on this matter indicated that over a third of voters in England - 11 million people - want England out of the UK).

These people are threatening the continuation and stability of our ancient Union - the very Union of the UK they claim they support.

The UK Labour Government does not understand England and does not care about England or her people.

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I so agree with your above post. The message I take from it is that the Euro elections in June 2009 are a wonderful opportunity for reasoned and reputable anti-EU parties to do well.

The Free England Party needs more members and cash to stand and to campaign properly while UKIP seesm to have had some painful mis-fortunes. I hope both our parties have got their acts fully together in time to campaign effectively for these elections in June 2009.

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Britannist - I so agree with your above post. The message I take from it is that the Euro elections in June 2009 are a wonderful opportunity for reasoned and reputable anti-EU parties to do well. I hope both our parties have got their acts fully together in time to campaign effectively for these elections in June 2009.
Thank you for your agreement, Andrew, with the points I made in posting number four to this thread.

I agree that the June 2009 EU Elections are important for pro-England and anti-EU parties. As we know, the voting system used in those elections is beneficial to small parties (such as UKIP, the Free England Party (FEP) and the English Democrats) whose vote may be spread more-or-less evenly across England rather than concentrated in some areas only.

With just over a year to go before the next EU Elections I hope that the pro-sovereignty (anti-EU) and pro-England parties can try to agree to joint lists of candidates for the EU Elections to avoid vote-splitting.

The EU has cut the number of seats of most of the larger member nations of the EU in the EU 'Parliament' (supposedly in order to give newer EU member states those seats taken from the larger EU member nations). But one 'advantage' to the EU ruling 'elite' of this change is that - with less seats than before in some EU 'regional' constituencies in the UK - it will make it harder for small anti-EU and pro-England parties to win seats in those constituencies from next year. In other words, more votes will now be needed by small parties to win seats in the larger EU 'regional' constituencies in the UK (i.e. such as London, the south-east of England and the north-west of England) because the minimum vote threshold rises when the number of seats in each constituency is reduced.

So getting co-operation between small parties who share a broad agenda (i.e. pro-sovereignty, pro-England and anti-EU) - which I have been calling for for some time now - should be an urgent priority for those parties. If UKIP, the FEP, Veritas, One London and the English Democrats all put up candidates against each other in next year's EU Election the anti-EU and pro-England vote will be divided up reducing the chance that one or more of the parties might win representation in the EU 'Parliament'.

But if all (or most) of the parties named sensibly agree on a single list of candidates in each EU constituency fighting under the overall banner of a 'Pro-England candidates against EU rule' alliance then campaigning efforts and resources could be pooled with the real prospect of success for the named parties in the next EU Election.

I hope that the FEP, the English Democrats, UKIP, Veritas and One London can hold informal talks about formal or informal co-operation between the parties in some or all wards/constituencies as soon as possible.

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The problem with the Euro Elections is the BNP. They'll be expecting to win some seats.
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Perhaps McBrown should of thought of that before his McParty devolved the UK which left England (85% of the population) without a democratic voice within the union.

McLabour have been saying the same tripe for years. "We won't let the union split but we will get rich quick and will continue to bribe Scotland with taxpayers money in order to keep our jobs"
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There won't be a UK Union left if Gordon Brown and Labour carry on as they are now - their refusal to give England equality (i.e. her own Parliament) will result in opposition to the UK rising further in England.
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