BonnieDundee

I personally believe in local taxation mainly and don't want the English to subsidise the Scots but alot of it is hysteria. Not least because the same can be said about Cumbria or Dorset or the West country. The South-east, Birmingham and the midland and the Northern cities subsidise places like this as well as Scotland. Dorset could not fund its current services on its current taxation income without outside support.

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Britannist

You can be both proud to be English and British.

Just as a Bavarian is pround to be both Bavarian and German.

Britannist

Unionist: I think everyone will be impressed with your posting (number four to this thread) and the time and effort you have spent in putting your defence of the Union of the UK.

Britannist

And England would end up - if the Union of the UK broke up - having land borders with one or two nations in the EU but outside the UK: Wales and Scotland. Both (Wales and Scotland if they quit the UK but stayed in the EU) would have been reduced to the status of EU-controlled statelets and might let in (by choice or by being forced to do so by their EU master) troops from the EU military wing now under construction meaning that for the first time for centuries continental european troops would be based on the island of Great Britain.

Every time I have brought this most important strategic and security point up about the dangers to England of having to share the island of Great Britain with a Wales and/or Scotland which is a part of the EU Superstate and EU military wing who might let EU troops open bases on their territory some English anti-UK contributors to this forum have become irritated and have only been able to come up with feeble responses. Responses such as "they (Scotland and/or Wales if they in the EU but out of the UK) would not let in EU troops" or that "we (England) would sign special defence co-operation agreements with them so that such a situation would not arise."

However, there is no guarantee that such agreements would be signed or that if they were they would last long.

The simple fact is that if Wales and/or Scotland quit the UK they would be free to let troops open bases on their territory from anywhere in the world if they wanted to - and this raises extremely important security implications for the 51 million people of England.

The Union of the UK - in which Wales, Northern Ireland/Ulster, England and Scotland are defended by the same armed forces, Royal Nay and Royal Air Force - means that the scenario of one part of Great Britain facing the destabilising prospect of troops from an external european continental power (or powers) being stationed close to its border does not arise.

Britannist

I agree. The four parts of the UK gain by being defended by the same armed forces, Royal Navy and Royal Air Force.

cassie

Reduced to abuse now, are we? I think you've lost it sonny!

By your own definition, you must be schizophrenic! Whereas I was born and grew up in the one locality! I am in no doubt about what is my nationality and what is my legal citizenship.

I am English through and through, and I object to Jock-come-latelys who come to my birthplace for their own convenience and, on the tenuous basis of parentage, promote divisive opinions.

With your background, it's not really surprising that you want to fragment my community, but you won't do it without resistance from me any other true Englishmen.

By the way, care to give YOUR definition of neo-fascist?


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cassie

Here are a few FACTS ie official, HM Treasury figures:

The Budget for 2007-08 anticipated Total Receipts of £553 billion under the following main headings:

Income Tax £157billion [28.4%]
National Insurance £95billion [17.2%]
Other £84billion [15.2%]
VAT £80billion [14.5%]
Corporation Tax £50billion [9.1%]
Excise duties £41billion [7.4%]
Council tax £23billion [4.2%]
Business rates £22billion [4.0%]

Dispensing with your wild suggestion of hysteria, perhaps you'd care to support your claims with official figures demonstrating that less than £460billion emanates from England AND that more than £46 billion emanates from Scotland!

I suspect that this is beyond you and that, instead, you prefer to indulge in whimsical opinions and childish name calling!



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Richard the Lionheart

Britannist, I have to disagree with you here. For what purpose would the EU station troops on our borders? It is highly unlikely they would be there to plan an invasion. You seem to forget that there is a massive NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) capability within our armed forces as well as our conventional capability.

Have you any evidence to support your claim, for example, EU armies are camped on the borders of Turkey or Russia? I don't mean national troops like the Poles or Greeks, I mean EU controlled batallions and regiments patrolling EU borders.

You also seem to forget that if the EU wanted to launch an attack on an independent England, it has no need to cross over the Anglo-Scottish or Anglo-Welsh borders. It can fire inter-continental ballistic missiles from any base it chooses. Modern warfare is becoming less a question of manpower volumes, but more a question of who has the better technology.

Sorry Britannist, not convinced.

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cassie

Since Britannist is asking for it, so to speak, I would record that I agree with the general thrust of Richard's post here.

True, it may be possible legally for the EU to do as Britannia describes, but action to station EU Armed Forces on England's borders without adequate reason or explanation would be just plain provocative! If the security of abutting territory was desired, it would be far more sensible to enter into agreement with England along the lines of [dare I say it?] the treaty with Belgium which resulted in the First World War ie to come to the relevant country's aid in the event of attack or invasion.

Whilst considerable opposition to England leaving the EU is to be expected, that should not result in the kind of hostility making the EU deployments suggested by Britannist at all likely.




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rjt

Yes I second that

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