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Old 15-05-2008, 12:13 PM   #121 (permalink)
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I think that I do know the forum well. I was not aware you stood as a local election candidate this year but did know that your (Free England) party contested some wards on 1.5.2008.

However - you had a very good result in the ward where you stood. Any pro-England person who beats the europhile Liberal 'Democrats' is not going to be criticised by me.

You got a good vote in the ward you stood in - especially when one considers that your party is new.

In this thread you have been repeatedly criticising me but I have not actually made any criticisms of you except for the fact that I think you should be spending your time opposing supporters of this anti-English Labour Government rather than criticising a pro-England person like me.
Another thing you do not know about me is that I spend a lot of time campaigning against my local MP, Barbara Follett, who is Labour and one of the nine euro-region ministers. I write to her usually once a month about something or other. The last correspondence is her refusal to sign the ECoR.
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Old 15-05-2008, 12:22 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Another thing you do not know about me is that I spend a lot of time campaigning against my local MP, Barbara Follett, who is Labour and one of the nine euro-region ministers. The last correspondence is her refusal to sign the ECoR.
And you have my 100% support Richard in opposing the europhile Labour MP (for Stevenage) Follett who backs the Labour Government's policy of holding England down in the UK.

Your good work in opposing Follett is to be admired .

Thank you for informing me about her attitude to the English Claim of Right (ECOR).

I hope that your (Free England) party will eventually publish here the names of all those public figures who refuse to sign the ECOR.
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Old 15-05-2008, 12:33 PM   #123 (permalink)
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You and I are on different sides here. I am interested in the resurrection of the English nation and state, you want to tinker with the current British state.
We are on the same side in that if there were a referendum on establishing an English Parliament we would both vote in favour.

I believe that we should try to maintain unity in the pro-England campaign.

There are those in England who want England out of the UK and there are those who do not. But our key priority aim should be to get a proper English Parliament set up as soon as possible.

We should remain united - nothing would please the europhiles and the anti-English UK Labour Government more than for the pro-England movement to split on the question of the UK Union.

I want an English Parliament within the UK. You want one out of the UK. But we are both agreed that the status quo is not acceptable. If we remain united the status quo (where England is ignored in the devolved UK) can and will fall apart.
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Old 15-05-2008, 12:39 PM   #124 (permalink)
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Richard, I wish you the best. If only I could have my life over again and be able to come and stand alongside you and the others. But that is not my lot. My lot has been to write till my hands have gone stiff. I hope some of it had some effect. The movement is broad and still a bit ramshackle but now that there is a popular electable party for English nationalism, as such, there is no reason why things shouldn't look up in that context.

Once again, it depends on those individuals who feel they can move into the spotlight and be active directly. It's quite a move. The criticism and bric-bats can be personally shattering and they put enormous strain on relationships, families and jobs. But still, there are people who are going to step forward and give it a go. May they feel ever stronger in this regard. What they do will go down in English history. It's time for champions again. It's time to chuck off the old politically correct blanket and cut off those chains and step out into an arena of combat for England's very existence. I am certain there are quite a few who will be interested in trying their skills at this tournament. Good luck to them. The competition is getting rather fierce.

Who will come forward to take on this quest? Who will shut the door and say, "I prefer not to be involved". Let these use their voting strength instead. But where are the champions? Where are the Black Princes, the Herewards and the heroes? What are they waiting for? England calls. There has never been a better time to answer.
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It is interesting that many of your pro-unionist colleagues, Gordon Brown, Jack Straw, David Cameron for example, do not support an English parliament because they say it is a threat to the union. Of course it is. It would be a very powerful organisation. That's why it would be a threat to the union.
Labour opposes an English Parliament because it would be difficult for it to win a majority of its own in whatever electoral system were used.

The Conservatives support a change from the status quo (where the UK Labour Government is holding England down within the UK) - the Conservatives have indicated that they might introduce rules in the Commons which would mean only English constituency MPs could vote on English matters. This is not a fully operational English Parliament but it would be a better arrangement than what we have now under this Labour shower in power.

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I do not think that it would be a threat to the UK Union.

But the existence of an English Parliament within the UK would make it difficult for a UK Labour Government to impose on England policies which their Labour colleagues would not want in Scotland (i.e. student tuition fees and prescription charge increases).
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Belittles every single effort made by every single nationalist who is campaigning for justice for England.
No - I do not belittle. I support those campaigning for England.

There are some pro-England people who want England out of the UK and there are some (me included) who do not.
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....what did you do?
I am not here to brag. I just get on with helping the pro-England movement. I am not going to spend time writing up postings about all that I have done for the pro-England campaign and neither would most pro-England campaigners.
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Your argument about some of the people of NI are of English origin is a bit silly.
My argument is not "silly" - you do not understand the bonds which bind our UK Union.

Northern Ireland (NI) - many of whose people are of English origin - seek to retain the Union with England, Scotland and Wales.

No truly pro-England person would abandon people who are of English origin and/of those who are friends of England.
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I have given you many reason elsewhere, how the Union could be ended if people chose to end it, how the division would be conducted under international law, how an English state would be governed, the benefits of self-determination, yet you ignore all of this.
I do not ignore this.

You ignore the fact that twice as many English people back an English Parliament in the UK than do support one out of it.

Within the pro-England movement your view (that English should quit the UK) is the minority view. My view - that England should remain the UK if she has her own Parliament within it - is the majority view in England.
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You should consider the growing trends. We in England are now more often than not referring to ourselves as English rather than British, and.....As you say almost a third support independence and is on the rise.
All correct.

But none of the above means that the people of England want out of the UK.

What the people of England want - now that there has been a welcome rise in feelings of English identity - is an English Parliament within the UK. All recent opinion polls confirm this.
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