The Benefits of the Union

Britannist · 15-05-2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard the Lionheart

I've.....also argued on live TV with our PM on the issue of inequality.

Bully for you.

Fat lot of good it did the pro-England movement.

Britannist · 15-05-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard the Lionheart

It is quite clear that you spend your time posting all day long on internet forums instead of actually getting out there and doing something.

Pot, kettle, black.

Britannist · 15-05-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard the Lionheart

....you yourself appear to have no track record in English nationalism.

Pot, kettle, black.

Richard the Lionheart · 15-05-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

You are "unable" (your word above) to face facts: the facts being that you keep criticising a pro-England person like me when you should be arguing against anti-English people - such as some of those in this Labour Government we have to put up with.

I am "unable to take" (your words above) people who claim to be pro-England criticising me for me being pro-England. I want an English Parliament and so do you. With me on that subject you are "preaching to the converted" - and you should go and argue instead on a Labour Party forum against those who support this anti-English Government.

If you are truly pro-English you will save your criticisms for those who seek to hold England and her people down and not those who have been campaigning for an English Parliament long before devolution in 1999.

You might also consider starting to post criticisms of the EU on this anti-EU forum - but then, your target is not the anti-English EU is it? It is the 'UK' - the very mention of which makes you go all hot-under-the-collar.

You have never demonstrated you are pro-England anywhere except from behind your pc. A talker rather than a walker. I would suggest you are pro-British as opposed to pro-English as your support for the British state indicates.I would be interested to hear how you campaigned for an English parliament long before devolution in 1999.

You and I are on different sides here. I am interested in the resurrection of the English nation and state, you want to tinker with the current British state.

Oh, and by the way, my targets are the corrupt British government and the EU.

Britannist · 15-05-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard the Lionheart

I would be interested to hear how you campaigned for an English Parliament long before devolution in 1999.

Well, you've got a long wait. I do not have to justify or explain my campaigning experience on the issue of English equality to a total stranger hiding behind a computer keyboard - particularly one who can provide no proof himself of ever having moved a muscle to help the pro-England movement at all.

Richard the Lionheart · 15-05-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

Pot, kettle, black.

How about a founder member of a nationalist political party? How about debates with people like Lord Falconer? How about numerous letters published in newspapers? Hoe about standing as a nationalist candidate in elections? I have done many things in the cause of English nationalism, which you have belittled. Your words:

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Bully for you.

Fat lot of good it did the pro-England movement

Belittles every single effort made by every single nationalist who is campaigning for justice for England. These words will ring in the ears for a long time for any nationalist who tries their best for England but may not always be successful. There were many candidates during the local elections in May that despatched thousands of pro-England leaflets. Because candidates were by and large unsuccessful, does Britannist believe our efforts were a fat lot of good?

At least we did something, what did you do?

Britannist · 15-05-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard the Lionheart

I really don't understand this obsession with the EU military wing that you believe is going to be stationed in the British Isles if we leave the EU. This point has been addressed before, by me and others, but you still insist on it.

You have not addressed the point. You have no answer.

The fact is that if Scotland and/or Wales quit the UK Union one or both could let the EU military wing open bases next to the English border. And you cannot deny that this could happen. Such an event - european continental troops being stationed on the island of Great Britain - would have major security implications for England.

What you "don't understand" (your words above) are the military and geopolitical implications of the UK breaking up.

Having one armed forces to defend England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland is a major advantage of UK Union which benefits all the peoples of Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and England.-

Britannist · 15-05-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard the Lionheart

How about standing as a nationalist candidate in elections?

How many votes did you get; in what constituency and when?

Let me guess - you won't say?

Britannist · 15-05-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard the Lionheart

....what did you do?

Back England and those who support England and not criticise those who do.

Richard the Lionheart · 15-05-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

Well, you've got a long wait. I do not have to justify or explain my campaigning experience on the issue of English equality to a total stranger hiding behind a computer keyboard - particularly one who can provide no proof himself of ever having moved a muscle to help the pro-England movement at all.

Ask Kentishman if he saw me at the Future of England conference. Ask Northumbrian if he saw me at the J4E rally last year. Ask Jim Matthews of the CEP if he's seen me at any parliament square rallies. Ask Gordon Brown, Lord Falconer, John Denham MP, Simon Hughes MP if they have ever had public political discussions on an English parliament with me. Ask Lord Tebbit, William Hague, Christopher Booker, if they have ever had conversations with me on the subect of the EU.

You will also have seen my name on the threads with regard to standing for election in Pin Green Ward, Stevenage this year. 158 people voited for me. Kentishman will also confirm I was branch chair for Herts and stood for election for the EDP when I was a member.

I suggest you are all talk Britannist, and have done nothing to advance the cause of English nationalism.

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