eublues

If we have all these talented people about, how about them putting their efforts to some possible effect by working within an anti-EU party that has a track record of some success.

stathan

And therin lies one of your problems, why should UKIP step up under any 'England only' banner? We already know that Labour has had such a stranglehold on Wales and Scotland down the years that it has been the only reason that they have ever been able to return to power.

Now that that historic grip is being weakened in both countries beyond all expectations ( hopefully forever) you advocate UKIP become an English only party.


And this from one of the political genius' who put up English Democrat candidates in recent Welsh elections.

cassie

So, you're in favour of removing choice from voters with party fixes?

This approach is unprincipled, sheer expediency, and should be seen as such. It is frequently advocated by those who are not members of any political party.

No wonder more and more voters become disillusioned and refuse to participate in such fiascos!


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Andrew Constantine

Stathan

You raise so many points for debate!

You might have noted that while Labour is unpopular in both Scotland and Wales, the main beneficiaries are nationalist parties. Indeed, nationalist parties are now in power in all the other three home nations.

UKIP should fight under English colours for inter alia these reasons:

- its membership and support outside England are negligible (so UKIP does not have much to lose in the other home nations);

- it will allow the other home nations to develop their own locally based anti-EU campaigns under their own home nation colours;

- the English nationalists are generally very anti-EU and very motivated and we would probably ally ourselves to fight under English colours in an anti-EU UKIP-led English alliance;

- The tide is in favour of the break-up of the Union, so the central question in the UK is how (after the dissolution of the UK) should the home nations get on best in these over-crowded Islands;

- UKIP at present has a relatively strong hand (MEPs, some electoral credibility, councillors, a couple of peers and a MP). After the Euro elections in June 2009, if UKIP's MEPS get squuezed by the Tories, then UKIP's prospects may look very poor. UKIP has to get the June 2009 elections right - or the party's oblivion beckons...

I did stand as a paper candidate for the Welsh Assembly and got a vote which exceeded many UKIP candidates standing for election in various parts of the UK! But I am pro-Welsh and while the history of Monmouthshire provides facts to support both sides of the argument, I am of the view that the way Heath's government legislated for the county to be part of Wales was shabby and un-democratic. The EDs call that the people of Monmouthshire should be given a referendum on their future seemed to me to be perfectly proper and I was happy to stand on that platform.

All the best, Andrew

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Frith

May as well forget it, rjt, no matter what any of us say or suggest, or even think in our subjective capacity, cassie will always be there to make you wish you'd kept quiet.

Personally, I've had enough of him as he seems to be a cherished part of the scene and his modus operandi is so repugnant the square of the distance from him is where I'd rather be. Everyone is an eejit, except cassie, apparently.

cassie

Correct me if I err, but it seems to be being proposed that UKIP an established party, with considerable financial resources and membership of circa 16,000 should ally itself with a very new party [the FEP registered in Feb last], with relatively few members [50?] and scant resources, headed by Andrew who was a prominent EDP member and prior to that was also a member of UKIP?

HMMMmmm! Very interesting! What is in it for UKIP? What is in it for the FEP?

Far better and more credible for UKIP to adopt the policy of promoting a separate English Parliament!


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Populist Lee

Why don't you put him on "ignore"?

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Populist Lee

It's all very well asking what you have asked above.

You haven't mentioned to your people here that to contest each Euro Region you need to place a deposit of £5,000.

They'll have to dig deeply into their pockets.


Populist Lee - -
The Populist Leader.

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who seek to reduce all the Peoples of the World
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kernow

Agreed and that Banner should read UKIP, the only serious non racist anti EU party in Britain today!

Ea of Dune

Ahh yes UKIP.. just how many members do you have in Northern Ireland for example? How about Scotland? Wales?

Let's face it if you are a Unionist the "Celtic fringe" will be the parts of the U in UK which will sell us all down the river. UKIP need to face the fact they are basically an English party with very little following outside of England.
You have some good policies and some people who I believe are very commited in doing the best thing, I've said before that I'd vote for you folks if no English party was stading... but I think you are fighting a lost battle in the fringes and those of you who really care would be better realising the best way of getting out of the EU is to start fighting for England.

Ea of dune