The Free England Party will fight the 2009 Euro elections

cassie · 08-05-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

All over the world, including the UK, political parties come together to form alliances. They are often called coalitions. They are formed by two or more parties to serve a common purpose. They run their course and are dissolved.
That does not seem too difficult a concept surely Cassie.

The word 'coalition' is generally understood to apply to political parties in parliaments ie to already elected representatives - NOT to candidates before they are even elected!

It seems that the intricacies of politics escape your comprehension ANGLO-STAFFS!

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cassie · 08-05-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by England For Ever

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That will be interesting seeing how the FEP do against the ED's in next years Euro elections. Any predictions on which party will get the nearest to one per cent!

Any one might think that you cared!

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cassie · 08-05-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rjt

I cannot tell you how pleased I am that you do think the reverse. In the meantime back in the real world minor partys are gearing up to fight a general election in the next two years and they will not just be fighting to win seats, they will be fighting against an establishment that hates them, an electoral system biased against them and the anti Eu movement is as fractured and divided as ever. You may dream of some utopian ideal where England got a vote regarding Socts and Welsh Devolution etc but in the real world nothing will change until minor partys start getting seats under FPP at General Elections, that is the real world. There will be no English Parlaiment until a crediable force supporting such a concept starts to win seats when it really matters.

In the meanwhile you will no doubt carry on playing mr angry, a part you play with the finesse of Brian Blessed.

Unfortunately, this is all too typical of your low level of contribution! You're even driven to speculate about what I might or might not dream! Inadequate boy you!

Just what have these disjointed meanderings to do with this thread? Do tell!

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cassie · 08-05-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

So my spelling is not very good, what has that got to do with anything? Do you normally make fun of people who for perfectly legitimate reasons have difficultys with such things. I am certainly glad that you do not have and with your attitude are unlikely ever to have a position of political significance which would involve you taking decisions that had direct influence over my life.

I'm sure that The Free England Party will treasure your comments when they "fight the 2009 Euro elections" which, after all, is the subject of this thread . . . or had you forgotten in your angst?

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cassie · 08-05-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

Of course they do, had there for example been a public vote on the recent EU treaty you would have found cross party coalitions springing up on all sides. Our political history is full of them and will continue to be so. Rightly so as well because when there is a shared intrest it is pointless people who differ on other issues just snipping at each other, better to get on and work together when you can do so.

If you read MY response to ANGLO-STAFFS' post with an open mind, you might - just might- learn something! Mind you, I didn't set out to be obsequious!

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rjt · 08-05-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cassie

If you read MY response to ANGLO-STAFFS' post with an open mind, you might - just might- learn something! Mind you, I didn't set out to be obsequious!

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yes thank you I have learned something, that I adopt a broader defintition of the term coalition then you do.

So lets use you narrow definition.

World Wars and The Crises of the late 20s/early 30s Governments of national Unity were formed. Formal coalitions

1972, Conservative and Liberal partys co-operate to ensure treaty of Rome is passed, it recieves a second reading by just 8 votes.

1975, Labour, Conservative and Liberals fight on same side in Common Market Referndum for yes vote, Within the no camp politcal opponents Tony Benn and Enoch Powell fight together.

1977, Callaghan loses majority, Lib Lab pact is formed, informal deals on set issues with the UUP, SNP and SDLP also in place.

1990s Major Government loses its majority, informal pact between Major and Jim Moylneaux and later Major and David Trimble to ensure government can continue.

2006 Blair/cameron coalition on Governments education reform.

So by your definition there are plenty of examples of coalitions and there will be plenty more in the future, you however are such an angry person I doubt you will ever be able to be in coalition with yourself let alone anyone else.

Danny · 08-05-2008, 05:56 PM

Here Here well said RJT

mkpdavies · 08-05-2008, 05:59 PM

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So by your definition there are plenty of examples of coalitions and there will be plenty more in the future, you however are such an angry person I doubt you will ever be able to be in coalition with yourself let alone anyone else.

I have that illness.

rjt · 08-05-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I have that illness.

I think that you have an excellent chance of recovery.

cassie · 08-05-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

yes thank you I have learned something, that I adopt a broader defintition of the term coalition then you do.

So lets use you narrow definition.

World Wars and The Crises of the late 20s/early 30s Governments of national Unity were formed. Formal coalitions

1972, Conservative and Liberal partys co-operate to ensure treaty of Rome is passed, it recieves a second reading by just 8 votes.

1975, Labour, Conservative and Liberals fight on same side in Common Market Referndum for yes vote, Within the no camp politcal opponents Tony Benn and Enoch Powell fight together.

1977, Callaghan loses majority, Lib Lab pact is formed, informal deals on set issues with the UUP, SNP and SDLP also in place.

1990s Major Government loses its majority, informal pact between Major and Jim Moylneaux and later Major and David Trimble to ensure government can continue.

2006 Blair/cameron coalition on Governments education reform.

So by your definition there are plenty of examples of coalitions and there will be plenty more in the future, you however are such an angry person I doubt you will ever be able to be in coalition with yourself let alone anyone else.

Funny! I thought you were advocating 'coalitions' [in the widest possible sense, of course!] of political parties in ELECTIONS!!! Then you proceed to illustrate that with examples [using my narrow definition] of coalitions in PARLIAMENT.

Even so, just because there have been 'coalitions' in the past, THAT does not explain why there should be a coalition now!

I go back to my original question: Just what is the point of having separate political parties, if you are then going to want some kind of political party alliance? You might just as well all belong to the same party 'fighting elections' at the outset!

Is that too difficult for any of you to grasp?

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Danny Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 727	Here Here well said RJT