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Old 17-05-2008, 11:41 AM   #21 (permalink)
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The idea that Britain has no interest in what happens in the rest of Europe is crazy. In or out of the EU we will always be affected by events in Europe and in turn will try to influence and shape things according to our own concerns.

One thing that has always puzzled me about the UKIP view, for example, is the idea that it is no concern of ours if the Europeans wish to build a superstate just as long as we are not part of it. On the contrary, I think it is very much our concern.
It is a very big concern.
Not only do I want the UK out of the EU but I want the EU broke up.
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Old 17-05-2008, 01:04 PM   #22 (permalink)
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The idea that Britain has no interest in what happens in the rest of Europe is crazy. In or out of the EU we will always be affected by events in Europe and in turn will try to influence and shape things according to our own concerns.

One thing that has always puzzled me about the UKIP view, for example, is the idea that it is no concern of ours if the Europeans wish to build a superstate just as long as we are not part of it. On the contrary, I think it is very much our concern.
I never said all of Britain did i!! i dont in my opinion dont want to interfer in Europe's business and how it runs itself, the EU bit is different they has forced this on us in Britain and Europe and that does need sorting out.
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I never said all of Britain did i!! i dont in my opinion dont want to interfer in Europe's business and how it runs itself, the EU bit is different they has forced this on us in Britain and Europe and that does need sorting out.
Fair enough, if you agree that we need to keep a close interest in what happens in the rest of Europe. That must, of course, include the EU if the EU has a large proportion of Europe and has the major states in its membership.

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I was thinking because of Britains economic size and influence once we withdraw from the EU we may will bring a few countries with us.
Sweden, Finland and Denmark could be countries who jump ship with us.
Maybe Italy too under it's new government.
What do you all think?
Who do you think you are kidding? We have a very small chance of leaving the EU as things seem to stand, this ship is not stopping soon.

The question is what do we do if even more power becomes lost to the EU and the suprastate starts to take shape? My best idea is retire with my family and perhaps some friends to a largely self-sufficient homestead, hopefully with other near by, and declare independence.
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With the level of debt that Britain now carries and the massive changes in the global economy not to mention the huge changes in where the power house economies and industries are placed the outcome for Britain if we walk away from the EU is simple.

Poverty.

Grinding third world level poverty.

On top of that, civil war or something very close to it as the impacts on the Welfare state hits home.

We would be lucky to even HAVE a welfare state, and what there was would be NOTHING like that thing that we have today.

Just imagine the effect that no, or drastically reduced hand outs would have on some sectors of the population. They would go ape.

Rather than fretting about if Britain should or should not be walking away from the EU the real concern should be if the EU will walk away from Britain.

The EU doesn’t need Britain, but Britain desperately needs the EU.

Now the name of the game should be to (albeit reluctantly) accept facts and concentrate on getting the very best deal for Britain that there is to be had.
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With the level of debt that Britain now carries and the massive changes in the global economy not to mention the huge changes in where the power house economies and industries are placed the outcome for Britain if we walk away from the EU is simple.

Poverty.

Grinding third world level poverty.

On top of that, civil war or something very close to it as the impacts on the Welfare state hits home.

We would be lucky to even HAVE a welfare state, and what there was would be NOTHING like that thing that we have today.

Just imagine the effect that no, or drastically reduced hand outs would have on some sectors of the population. They would go ape.

Rather than fretting about if Britain should or should not be walking away from the EU the real concern should be if the EU will walk away from Britain.

The EU doesn’t need Britain, but Britain desperately needs the EU.

Now the name of the game should be to (albeit reluctantly) accept facts and concentrate on getting the very best deal for Britain that there is to be had.
Yet if we leave the EU we save billions.
It is a good start and a needed start on the mass hundreds of billions in cuts on spending we need.
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Why are you so hostile towards the EU? Maybe your children will change opinion and decide to join the EU again later. Never say never.
What you say has a risk of happening.
So there must not be an EU in existence, nor EU-philes about the place trying to trick our children into doing what the older generation did.
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On the contrary, I think it is very much our concern.
It certainly is!
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It is a very big concern.
Not only do I want the UK out of the EU but I want the EU broke up.
Good for you.
The Future for all the people of Europe is bleak so long as the EU exists.
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With the level of debt that Britain now carries and the massive changes in the global economy not to mention the huge changes in where the power house economies and industries are placed the outcome for Britain if we walk away from the EU is simple.

Poverty.

Grinding third world level poverty.

On top of that, civil war or something very close to it as the impacts on the Welfare state hits home.

We would be lucky to even HAVE a welfare state, and what there was would be NOTHING like that thing that we have today.

Just imagine the effect that no, or drastically reduced hand outs would have on some sectors of the population. They would go ape.

Rather than fretting about if Britain should or should not be walking away from the EU the real concern should be if the EU will walk away from Britain.

The EU doesn’t need Britain, but Britain desperately needs the EU.

Now the name of the game should be to (albeit reluctantly) accept facts and concentrate on getting the very best deal for Britain that there is to be had.
Yet we lose billions by being in the EU.
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