The Recession will complete sterling's sabotage

youcanhandlethetruth · 08-05-2008, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidnoakes

Bear, only an EU disinformation asset, and there have been five of you on this site all the time I've been on it, would make the following statement:

Bear "The qwango costs are British Government qwango costs, NOT EU qwango costs. The claim that the blossoming of quangos is down to the EU is simply incorrect."

Firstly, Westminster has been an EU puppet government since 1970. When Thatcher realised the EU was a dictatorship and tried to act independently, she was expelled as Prime Minister by other Bilderbergers in her cabinet in two months flat, and replaced by a compliant Bilderberger, John Major.

The 8,500 quangos costing £167 billion (cost in 1997 £negligible) is almost entirely down to the EU.

These quangos exist to employ over 100,000 influential people on salaries of £100,000 - £300,000pa to bribe them to smoth the way for the EU. Their other primary function is to enforce the EU's 120,000 regulations which cost our industry £100 billion pa.

The majority of these quangos are run by either by the EU's Common Purpose local control organisation, or by the Freemasons, who get there orders from the Bilderbergers.

The EU costs us £267 billion on a national GDP of £1,330 billion; more than a third of our economy. and that's without counting any of the figurres (like our EU contribution, £11 billion) that the Press is allowed to report on.

All of this is completely true. And what he says about Thatcher is 100% true too - again the mainstream media are lying, and those that are prejudiced against "conspiracies" are brainwashed into believing the MSM.

David has the facts backing him up, whilst those that seek to discredit him seek to push an irrational argument up to the point that they have no other argument than to claim "CONPSPIRACY !"

What can a person conclude by reading the objections stated by those who are apparently anti-EU but state it is not possible or in Britain's interests to leave ?

Closer examination of their comments tells you what you need to know....

Bear says:

"The qwango costs are British Government qwango costs, NOT EU qwango costs. The claim that the blossoming of quangos is down to the EU is simply incorrect."

As David clearly points out, these quangos are set up for the purpose of integration into the EU, yet Bear wants us all to believe it is the British government wasting the money, though completely ignores the use of the money is for the EU itself.

Bear says:

"The state of our economy, the nature of our population, the SIZE of our population, the nature of todays world and the effects of globalisation in my considered opinion all rule out any opportunity to withdraw fro the EU and survive in any meaningful way."

So what he is saying is basically because things are apparently so bad, it is too late to stop.

How incredibly ridiculous !

If you for example had a heart attack through smoking and lost a limb, would you continue to damage your health and risk further injury because you could not undo the damage already done ?

"as a result of New Labour running the nation on a sea of rising debt"

Again no mention of the EU as to the cause of this at all.

"Then there is the so called cost of 100 billion on meeting EU regulations. Another bit of deliberate spin. The cost are far and away mostly in meeting international standards."

Bear is the one spinning here - these "international standards" are a total smokescreen, trying to persuade people that there is no option but to agree to them whatever the cost in the interests of "globalaization" that serve the elite, and do nothing for the average British person.

"Homologation of international standards"

Again talking as if there is no option but to accept the EU/globalist "free trade" gravy train .

Am I the only one who doesn't recognize the word "Homologation" and guess this is carefully crafted load of wordbull ?

Obviously there is no need to have such international standards if they are a cost to Britain, especially as Bear admits that "we no longer produce the manufactured goods to sell into the EU"

Bear blames the Labour government but is defending the actions of the quangos that the government supports - more double standards and doublethink.

"Stop funding the qwango’s and most of the cash will still have to be spent anyway."

More complete rubbish. He fails to state why the government is forced to spend money rather than save it or re-invest it in other areas such as the re-organization of an independent Britain.

We can save a fortune by getting rid of these quangos, pulling out of the EU, stopping the war and stopping funding the surveillance and police state.

The money is there to reinvest in education, agriculture, health - IT'S A VERY SIMPLE PLAN that will take some time to undo the harm already caused.

The one that tops the lot is this one though........

"Our being a member state of the USE in the same way as say West Virginia is within the United States of America.

Poor, little of worth to sell to the rest, and were it not for federal support they receive, would be populated by paupers."

Anyone who has studied America and it's history knows that the federal government's main purpose is to destroy the idea of self-sufficency, monopolize the food chain and get people to become reliant on government handouts - i.e. use food as weapon against the people (as the EU have stated they will do too). And the fact that people are of little worth is a direct consequence of U.S domestic policy. So more blatant spin, lies and scare tactics from Bear....

Anyone with any sense should see through these traitors who claim to be the fountain of knowledge, but in truth, are disinformationalists whose only agenda is to try to diffuse positive action for change.

The only contribution these supposed anti-EU people make is to post comments like "Bit late for that aren't we?", "some people are planning to jump off the Titanic with no idea what happens next."

Yes we can't manage a **** up in a brewery can we ?
This argument that we apparently "need" the EU is a total sham, and has been demonstrated and proved to be false.

Not only is it contrary to the well presented points made by David and common sense in general, but it is totally defeatist and carefully crafted to scare people that it is in Britains interests to stay in and they haven't got the capability to create a better future on their own....

Ea of Dune · 08-05-2008, 12:44 AM

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these quangos are run by either by the EU's Common Purpose local control organisation or by the Freemasons, who get there orders from the Bilderbergers

I have to say I have seen NO evidence of the Freemasons running any sort of dodgy pro-EU outfits. From my experience of meeting practicing Masons they are fairly anti-EU in their out look.
Just as a hypothesis for those who think that way.... maybe the "pro-EU" bunch have infilitrated the Masons?

To suggest that the Bilderbergers give their "orders" to the Freemasons is just well..., crazy

. Why the hell would the worlds top politicians, business clique and royality bother with the Masons when they could use far mroe sophisticated means to gather intelligence or whatever you purportthem to do? Ed Balls went along, surely he could just ask old Gordy to get MI5 to do his dirty work?

Mr Noakes if you are so concerned why don't you join the Masons and check them out, as far as I am aware you can just join up, I'm sure some of the Masons on the forum could provide you with the details?

I am a firm believer that the Bilderbergers certainly do hold a certain amount of concentrated power amongst themselves (and would also go as far as to place bets down the bookies on political positions based upon their attendees) but to suggest they all sit their and come up with a list of orders for Common Purpose or the Masons, or the Shriners or the Womens Institute is a bit.... well retarded....

Ea of dune

youcanhandlethetruth · 08-05-2008, 02:47 AM

I don't know what about the British parliament headed by freemason Brown ?

YouTube - Gordon Brown New World Order Speech

Prison Planet Archive - Freemasonry
Rowan Williams apologises to Freemasons - Telegraph

Of course the Bilderbergers don't sit down and come up with a list of orders for each individual entity within the structure.
Most likely there is a hierachy of power managed at each level to fit the object model....

It's difficult if not impossible to know the exact interactions within a compartmentalized network.

The only important thing is to realize whose interests are being served by the government - and you can hardly say it is not the EU who is being best served, judging by the majority of legislation passed through parliament.

No-one can deny there are many people working for EU-based self serving bureacracies.
Without these EU regulations these bureacracies would cease to exist and likely save the tax payer a small fortune.

Aardvark · 08-05-2008, 09:51 AM

YCHTT,

Noakes has made an unsupported sweeping generalisation about the membership of quangoes and has provided no evidence to support it. He hasn't even got the exact figure for the number of quangoes, let alone the exact figure for their costs. He also treats the costs as a loss to society, but people who work should be paid.

That was the point I was making. I know, as there are 330,000 (apparently) UK Freemasons, that it is logical that some of them will be in positions of influence within society. Most Freemasons I know, and as a mason I know a few, are either retired or at the tail end of their careers and many have achieved a lot on life, many have been less successful. A lot of Freemasons are humble people from ordinary jobs who actually attend lodges as an excuse to get out of their scruffy clothes and into a suit or DJ for the night or to get away from the stresses of work. I have met a few policemen who are masons - they do it to get away from the police for the evening and to forget work, not to plan the control of society. Most older travelling showmen are masons - fairground and circus workers etc - and they have their own peripatetic lodge. If you'd spent your day covered in dust and diesel fumes it would be a nice change to dress up and get away from the constant background noise of Chirpy, Chirpy, Cheap, Cheap played at full volume, but I digress.

I was a non-executive director of a quango, a NHS trust, and the amount I received (as a band of pay) was published in the accounts which were presented at a public meeting. I was appointed on the basis of a strong CV, my membership of freemasonry was not an issue as I didn't mention it and the interviewers didn't ask. We oversaw the running of 22 surgeries and 4 community hospitals, all of the community nurses and a mass of other responsibilities. We were paid for the substantial amount of time we gave and I was allowed on one conference, in 4 years, run by one of CP's rivals. The PCT system has been restructured, but the management of the health service will not cease if UKIP get into power or we leave the EU, nor will lower paid people with no qualifications or experience be allowed to run the system. It is politically illiterate to talk as if all quangoes do nothing and will cease once UKIP come to power. We will need to have a review of the roles of the various quangoes and we could certainly, IMHO, reduce the number and cost, but they will not all go away and those that remain will still cost something. It will not be an overnight process in the same way as withdrawing from the EU in good order and with a stable economy will not happen overnight. I'm not pro-EU for recognising the reality of the situation and I am not a disinformation specialist in the way those who live on fantasy island seem to be.

YCHTT, Noakes has provided no evidence to support his general assertions. Where is his evidence that Bilderbergers, CP or Masons control all quangoes? None is provided. That's not dealing in facts, that is, as with so many of the 'conspiracy theorists' dealing in supposition and rumour.

What is the source of Noakes' figures? Where is the list of quangoes to be found? As they are public bodies their membership will be declared and Noakes can, with proof, highlight those members he knows to be masons, those he knows to be Bilderbergers and those he knows to have attended CP training.

The Bear · 08-05-2008, 10:20 AM

Nothing wrong with being a Mason.

Mikeuk · 18-05-2008, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bear

Nothing wrong with being a Mason.

Quite. Where do these conspiracy nutters get their stupid fantasies?

I very much doubt that Gordon Brown is a Mason. I could tell you the names of a few leading figures who prefer not to reveal that they were initiated into a lodge 'before they were famous', but I've never heard Brown's name mentioned.

tito · 18-05-2008, 03:48 PM

Won't Mr. Brown be in a nice position when sterling becomes worse off than the Euro?

mkpdavies · 18-05-2008, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeuk

Quite. Where do these conspiracy nutters get their stupid fantasies?

I very much doubt that Gordon Brown is a Mason. I could tell you the names of a few leading figures who prefer not to reveal that they were initiated into a lodge 'before they were famous', but I've never heard Brown's name mentioned.

He doesn't need to be in the Masons, as he is a 34th degree ranking Z lizard from the 4th dimension. They own the Masons.

Aardvark · 18-05-2008, 07:38 PM

Sh|t, Matt knows about the 34th degree (a black lady pop singer in all probability) and the 4th dimension. The lizards will eat him at one of the Bilderberger salamander working lunches.

youcanhandlethetruth · 28-05-2008, 01:45 AM

Sure that's right Aardvark - it's sounds quite unbelievable so therefore it can't possibly be true.

Where did you learn that amzing bit of educational logic - BBC breakfast news or the "conspiracy files" ?

However I'll give you your dues - no doubt you believe that a bunch of arab amateur pilots managed to over-run commercial airlines with boxcutters and fortify the strongest miltary defences in the world without a hitch and fly planes with exact precision into the Twin Towers.... ?

My word - UKIP have really got some people with common sense working for them haven't they ?

08-05-2008, 09:51 AM	#44 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,133	YCHTT, Noakes has made an unsupported sweeping generalisation about the membership of quangoes and has provided no evidence to support it. He hasn't even got the exact figure for the number of quangoes, let alone the exact figure for their costs. He also treats the costs as a loss to society, but people who work should be paid. That was the point I was making. I know, as there are 330,000 (apparently) UK Freemasons, that it is logical that some of them will be in positions of influence within society. Most Freemasons I know, and as a mason I know a few, are either retired or at the tail end of their careers and many have achieved a lot on life, many have been less successful. A lot of Freemasons are humble people from ordinary jobs who actually attend lodges as an excuse to get out of their scruffy clothes and into a suit or DJ for the night or to get away from the stresses of work. I have met a few policemen who are masons - they do it to get away from the police for the evening and to forget work, not to plan the control of society. Most older travelling showmen are masons - fairground and circus workers etc - and they have their own peripatetic lodge. If you'd spent your day covered in dust and diesel fumes it would be a nice change to dress up and get away from the constant background noise of Chirpy, Chirpy, Cheap, Cheap played at full volume, but I digress. I was a non-executive director of a quango, a NHS trust, and the amount I received (as a band of pay) was published in the accounts which were presented at a public meeting. I was appointed on the basis of a strong CV, my membership of freemasonry was not an issue as I didn't mention it and the interviewers didn't ask. We oversaw the running of 22 surgeries and 4 community hospitals, all of the community nurses and a mass of other responsibilities. We were paid for the substantial amount of time we gave and I was allowed on one conference, in 4 years, run by one of CP's rivals. The PCT system has been restructured, but the management of the health service will not cease if UKIP get into power or we leave the EU, nor will lower paid people with no qualifications or experience be allowed to run the system. It is politically illiterate to talk as if all quangoes do nothing and will cease once UKIP come to power. We will need to have a review of the roles of the various quangoes and we could certainly, IMHO, reduce the number and cost, but they will not all go away and those that remain will still cost something. It will not be an overnight process in the same way as withdrawing from the EU in good order and with a stable economy will not happen overnight. I'm not pro-EU for recognising the reality of the situation and I am not a disinformation specialist in the way those who live on fantasy island seem to be. YCHTT, Noakes has provided no evidence to support his general assertions. Where is his evidence that Bilderbergers, CP or Masons control all quangoes? None is provided. That's not dealing in facts, that is, as with so many of the 'conspiracy theorists' dealing in supposition and rumour. What is the source of Noakes' figures? Where is the list of quangoes to be found? As they are public bodies their membership will be declared and Noakes can, with proof, highlight those members he knows to be masons, those he knows to be Bilderbergers and those he knows to have attended CP training. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008 Last edited by Aardvark; 09-05-2008 at 08:56 PM.

08-05-2008, 10:20 AM	#45 (permalink)
The Bear Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Anglia Posts: 1,777	Nothing wrong with being a Mason. __________________ I am an old man. I have eaten much salt.

18-05-2008, 07:38 PM	#49 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,133	Sh\|t, Matt knows about the 34th degree (a black lady pop singer in all probability) and the 4th dimension. The lizards will eat him at one of the Bilderberger salamander working lunches. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

28-05-2008, 01:45 AM	#50 (permalink)
youcanhandlethetruth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,557	Sure that's right Aardvark - it's sounds quite unbelievable so therefore it can't possibly be true. Where did you learn that amzing bit of educational logic - BBC breakfast news or the "conspiracy files" ? However I'll give you your dues - no doubt you believe that a bunch of arab amateur pilots managed to over-run commercial airlines with boxcutters and fortify the strongest miltary defences in the world without a hitch and fly planes with exact precision into the Twin Towers.... ? My word - UKIP have really got some people with common sense working for them haven't they ? __________________ Before tyranny and television, "conspiracy theorists" never existed. cointelpro/halfwits: Akria,Clippo,Besoeker,Bear,Eurosceptic Antlantacist,MikeUK Last edited by youcanhandlethetruth; 28-05-2008 at 01:46 AM. Reason: typo

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