davidnoakes

From Edward Heath’s Treaty of Accession of 1972, to the Reform or Lisbon Treaty 2008, politicians have lied about the content of the EU’s six Constitutional Treaties.

What the Lisbon Treaty really says:

The EU can force the Euro on us:
Page 12, Article 2- 4. “The Union shall establish an economic and monetary union whose currency is the euro.”

Our politicians pretend this means nothing.

But, if our EU rulers were to impose the Euro on us under this clause, our British government, if still functioning, could in theory appeal. Except for decades our government has implemented EU treaties, laws, and regulations, not the wishes of the people. So it is unlikely it would appeal.

These six treaties are to be enforced by EU judges, paid by the EU, whose remit is to interpret them in accordance with the policy of “Ever closer union”. So under this clause,

an EU judge would have no choice but to impose the Euro on us. Our politicians are lying again.

We may not oppose the EU
Page 13, 3A-3, end: “The Member States shall facilitate the achievement of the Union's tasks and refrain from any measure which could jeopardise the attainment of the Union's objectives." In English:

“We must comply with the treaties, and we may not oppose the EU. “

We are forced to obey the treaties
Page 14. 3A-4. “Under the principle of proportionality, the content and form of Union action shall not exceed what is necessary to achieve the objectives of the Treaties.” In English,

“the EU will not use more force than is necessary to compel us to comply with the treaties.”

See page 13, 3A-3: The other EU states are to force us to comply too.

The end of the Lib-Dem, Labour and Conservative Parties
Page 16 8A-4. “Political parties at European level contribute to forming European political awareness and to expressing the will of citizens of the Union.” What does this mean?

At the EU’s Party Financing Conference in Madrid in June 1999, parties at the European level were defined as parties with voters in more than 10 countries. The Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem Parties have voters in only one country, Britain.

Under this clause, British parties do not contribute and do not express the will of the EU’s citizens. That empowers the EU to abolish our Lib Lab Con, the very parties whose leaderships have worked so hard to illegally force us into the EU.

Not possible? Read the half page German Enabling Act of 1933. It didn’t mention political parties, but it was used to abolish them. Given the Reform Treaty removes the last 20% of Westminster’s powers, it makes perfect sense to close Westminster when its current five year term expires in May 2010. By then, it will have been powerless and defunct for 17 months.

Petitions: We are told what to ask for
Pages 17 8B-4. “Not less than one million citizens who are nationals of a significant number of Member States may take the initiative of inviting the European Commission, within the framework of its powers, to submit any appropriate proposal on matters where citizens consider that a legal act of the Union is required for the purpose of implementing the Treaties.”

Wonderful. We may petition the EU government. But we are only allowed to ask for more laws to complete the EU dictatorship. We are forced to petition for the EU, Soviet style.

An executive of unelected politburos
Page 18 Article 9: Defines the Executive of the EU: three unelected politiburos. The only chance we have of representation is in the European Council, which starts off as being one Prime Minister per country. But these 27 Heads of State (Gordon Brown is ours) are the very ones who forced us into the EU against our wishes in the first place: they are already bought and paid for by the EU.

Below the politiburos is the European Court of Justice, the one that ruled in case EUCJ 274/99 that it is illegal to criticise the EU. When EU Budget Director Marta Andreasen was fired for revealing that 95% of the EU’s expenditure could not be accounted for, this court ruled she should be denied compensation because she told the truth. This is the court that interprets these treaties.

At the bottom is the powerless EU Parliament, the only vote we will get. It is the Soviet system, but with a more tyrannical constitution, 2,000 pages long instead of the Soviet 80 pages.

The EU is a Military Union: scores of clauses including:
Page 39 10A-c-3 "Member States shall make civilian and military capabilities available to the Union for the implementation of the common security and defence policy,”
“Member States shall undertake progressively to improve their military capabilities.”

Three unelected EU politburos will control the nuclear weapons of the former nations of Britain and France. The Treaty of Elysee 1963 gives Germany effective voting control of the EU. Nuclear weapons controlled by German dictators? What is that a recipe for?

Summary
The treaties are written to conceal their intent. For example, they “take Primacy” over our written British Constitution and laws. A nation cannot have two constitutions, so this means the EU’s constitutional treaties replace the British Constitution. In other words, the six treaties abolish our Constitution (which is written, every word of it), but they are careful not to say that.

These clauses, and hundreds of similar ones in the 2,000 pages of the six treaties, overwhelmingly abolish British sovereignty, and therefore the British nation.

Every dictatorship in history has eliminated those who put it in power, as they are the greatest threat to remove it. In the EU dictatorship our MPs will suffer even more than we will. Watching our traitorous MPs suffer is the one thing we have to look forward to.

This is available as a pdf, suitable for a double sided flier, at the eutruth website.

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Millennium3

Legally the EU may have these powers from the LT, however in practical terms, they would not have the power to enforce these measures until and unless there was an EU police and military presence in Britain. No doubt if, during the next, say, five years Westminster voted to leave the EU the British Military and Police would support the British government.

I assume that there are plans afoot to merge the militaries and police forces and to post nationals to other regions of Europe so avoid such a possibility.

Aardvark

How come the Germans (dictators pl) will have more representation at the European Council? Surely they only have one elected Prime Minister, or have I missed something?

The Germans will have a maximum of one Commissioner and in theory could have none.

Germany is a democracy and not a dictatorship. Angela Merkel can, and probably will, be replaced next time around. There are no German dictators and it is highly unlikely, despite the fantasies of the conspiracy theorists, that there will be again. The last dictator came to power on the back of hyperinflation, the Versailles Treaty and the threat of Soviet style revolution. Those conditions are unlikely to be repeated.

1 million electors forcing a referendum could be 1 million Eurosceptics from across Europe. I would like to think that, perish the thought, should the treaty be aquiesced to then a million sane and well informed Eurosceptics would force a vote on an issue such as subsidiarity. Ireland might block the treaty, as could the Aaland Islands. The Polish Parliament is currently debating an amendment that gives Polish law authority in Poland. If the debate is won then a referendum is triggered.

Watch the world's financial markets before jumping to any conclusions on the Euro. The regional disparities caused by the strength of the Euro might force Italy out before we get dragged in. The Spanish economy is likewise in trouble and needs to change the Euro interest rate to support its economy or it might have to leave.

I don't want the treaty, but scaremongering and racist attacks on the Germans will not change the situation in our country.

David, welcome back. Your name calling won't make me change my view that exit from the EU will only come when we get rid of the conspiracy theorists and believers in Illuminati and lizards and DVD from the Eurosceptic movement and concentrate on winning elections.

Isn't it sad, but you've even fallen out with Brian Gerrish. I met some distributors of a Column newspaper at the IWAR lobby and said I didn't want anything from your pen. I was surprised when they agreed and described you in unflattering terms - abrasive was a word that fell rapidly from their lips They then introduced me to Brian Gerrish. If you can't even talk to your fellow conspiracy theorists who can you talk to?

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Millennium3

A, have you watched the video prepared for the Irish NO vote contingent? It is on one of the threads.

If that is correct, it means that Germany, France and a few of the smaller countries together can force legislation onto the whole community for it is the size of the population which determines each ministers voting strength. The group mentioned would represent more than 65% [the determining factor] of the EU's total population [Germany having the greatest].

This will be the case in five years when the national veto ends and majority voting takes over.

It is a great pity that a consolidated version of the impact of the LT on the existing treaties has not been produced. These different interpretations would not be then possible.

Do you want the job?

Aardvark

Time. Money. I'd love the job to pull everything together, but I really have to put food on the table.


Of course the UK can also form alliances and force laws onto smaller members.

I've not watched the Irish video, I will look for it.

The whole problem with the 'treaty' is the sheer volume of information. It needs a professional group to get together, but it does need people who are not going to be emotional and are going to interpret the terms in a strict legal sense. I don't think DN does us any favours by interpreting things in an extreme fashion. German dictators? Emotive rubbish.

I think the UKIP team in Brussels have the experiece and ability to do this and I'd be happy to join them (hint), but it needs so much effort and so much care and so much time that the project leader would have to be full time.

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Millennium3

This is the 'Irish' thread - it is long and unprofessional, but I found it easy to watch.

We are change Ireland attack the EU

I think the concern is that Germany and France will generally stick together as their ambitions for the union are closer. There are enough extra countries who are dependent on Germany's economic might so would always side with them.

youcanhandlethetruth

Excellent piece David - very well done.

Yes we really are at the mercy of unelected criminals.

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Ea of Dune

Actually that has begun, have a read up on Eurogendfor (there are plenty of threads on this board regarding them).

Ea of dune

davidnoakes

Millennium3
No, all six treaties are illegal under the British Constitution, (which is written, every word of it from Magna Carta onwards), and Parliament can only change the parts of the constitution they created - the minor parts - so they cannot legalise the EU.

It seems clear the EU are planning to control of the police, armed forces and population by 5th May 2010, when they will have a strong case, and all the power they need, to close Westminster.

Aardvaark
You have indeed deliberately missed nearly everything. Firstly you chose to ignore the fact the 1963 Treaty of Elysee gave Germany effective voting control of the EU.

The disinformation says two guys, Monnet and Salter, created the EU. Ridiculous. It takes a government to form a nation, and it was the German Government that conceived the EEC (Herman Goering, June 1940). The first Conference was at the University of Berlin in 1942. First 13 nation summit under von Ribbentrop 1943.

The second point you missed is Germany created the EU, and has always controlled it.

You make the deliberately naive point that Germany is a democracy. 525 German MPs voted to abolish the Deutschmark in favour of the Euro; only 35 voted against. In polls 60% of Germans were against. Thats not a democracy.

In Germany and Britain, our governments implement EU Treaties, laws, regulations and policy, not the wishes of the people. Our respective governments are obviously controlled by the EU, not by the electorates.

For you to pretend Germany (or Britain since 1972) is a democracy is obviously misrepresentation.

Angela Merkel will be indeed be replaced, but only by another EU stooge.

EU Stooge John Major (Maastricht) was replaced by EU stooge Tony Blair, (Amsterdam and Nice) and Gordon Brown, the most tightly controlled EU puppet of all, has signed the sixth and final EU Treaty, Lisbon, and was forced to cancel both his referendum and his election.

You point blank refuse to read the rest of the 1 million electors clause. It makes not one jot of difference whether they are """eurosceptics""" or not - we are forced to petition for the completion of the EU dictatorship and cannot petition against.

It must be very inconvenient for you to have the brutal truth shoved in your face by the very masters you serve.

You fail to distract us with irrelevant musing on the Euro. The EU can force us in, but instead will collapse sterling. See eutruth.org.uk/eu200bn.htm

You are so utterly defeated you have to resort to the despicable race card, dragging in the Germans.

The Germans have never been allowed a vote on the EU precisely because in polls, 80% are now against it, just as we are in Britain. Even the German people are on our side, not yours.

Your last attempt at disinformation is to tell us to concentrate on elections - because you know there won't be any, and hope to waste our efforts.



youcanhandlethetruth
Many thanks


Ea of Dune
You are exactly right.

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youcanhandlethetruth

David,

Thank you so much for posting the link The EU's deliberate destruction of Britain's economy.

My god, I knew things were amazingly bad but even that amazed me !
This link deserves a new thread on it's own merit !
I'm going to put it up in a poll "Is Britain Heading for depression ?"

For anyone who thinks they know everything from how they "see it", I would say "shut up" and listen to what David is telling you about the EU.

We should be very grateful to him for sharing his wealth of information with us on such an important and totally crucial subject.

David as I can obviously see you know what you're talking about, I'd like to ask your opinion on a few matters if I may....

1) You say "It seems clear the EU are planning to control of the police, armed forces and population by 5th May 2010, when they will have a strong case, and all the power they need, to close Westminster."

If they do close Westminster, what do you think will be the "strong case" or justification for this through the mainstream media ?
Or could they spin it (as they've done) to make us think we still make our own laws ?

2) I'm not sure if you are aware but some top U.S. economists say that the dollar will be worth toilet paper within 2 years, and will make the great depression of the 30's look like a sunday picnic.
Could it get that bad within the UK ? And if so how long do you think it may happen ?

3) After a financial collapse, do you think we would be told that we need to join the Euro or do you think the article is right in saying "If they force the Euro on us, it makes it more difficult to destroy us without damaging the EU too" ?

I personally think they want financial collapse(amongst other things) to persuade us into the Euro.

4) What are your views on 9/11 and 7/7 "conspiracy theories" - do you believe there was government involvement in these terrorist attacks ?
Have you looked into scientists views and alternative news coverage ?
Do you have any views on the "New World Order", plan for one world government and man made global warming ?

To summarize my view, I believe all the traits of the US are happening right here in the UK - open borders, financial collapse, false flag terrorist events, financial and geographic union.
I could go on and on but all in the object of forming a world world tyrannical government who want to ensure global financial collapse and "consolidate" assets before they push their plan for tyranical one world government.

5) forgive me but are you a member of UKIP ?

Thanks again for your time David - sorry so many questions but very much appreciated....

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