Seven deadly Lisbon Treaty clauses

davidnoakes · 06-05-2008, 11:10 AM

Popeye: You say:
"The Lisbon Treaty quite clearly states that all member states shall work for the furtherance of the Union's objectives.
Within the competencies controlled by the EU (virtually all except defence).

You could not be more wrong.
You clearly didn't read the first post here on the 7 deadly clauses.

The EU can force us to comply with its wishes and use the military forces of other nations to compel us. And:

The EU is a Military Union: scores of clauses including:
Page 39 10A-c-3 "Member States shall make civilian and military capabilities available to the Union for the implementation of the common security and defence policy,”
“Member States shall undertake progressively to improve their military capabilities.”

You are still 15 years behind where the EU is on the ground. Read the seven clauses.

youcanhandlethetruth · 06-05-2008, 09:46 PM

David,

If I may I ask you a question or two.....

Are you a supporter of UKIP and what are your feelings regarding the party ?
Are/could they be organized to become a major political force ?
If not, what do you see in the future regarding opposition to the main 3 political parties ?

Many thanks
YCHTT

Unionist · 06-05-2008, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth

David,

If I may I ask you a question or two.....

Are you a supporter of UKIP and what are your feelings regarding the party ?
Are/could they be organized to become a major political force ?
If not, what do you see in the future regarding opposition to the main 3 political parties ?

Many thanks
YCHTT

You should follow the debates a bit more closely, YCHTT. Mr Noakes was a UKIP leadership candidate but later resigned from the party and now claims it is a 'honey trap' for activists.

youcanhandlethetruth · 07-05-2008, 07:57 AM

Apologies - wish I had time to read all the threads from start to end(but I haven't)

Interesting - I can well believe it and have wondered it myself for a while just by reading UKIP comments on this forum.

Just look at the number of UKIP members who apparently want to reform/abolish the EU through a parliamentary process that is essentially pro-european !

That's like trying to turn the fridge light off without the door being closed......

Thanks very much for the info Unionist.

davidnoakes · 07-05-2008, 01:12 PM

There won't be another General election - so UKIP as a party is as pointless as all the others. It has always been pointless because it has deliberately understated the problem, and refused to expose the EU: as a dictatorship and police state that will bring us poverty.

Now the leadership of UKIP is bought and paid for by the EU - its top eight leaders on an average of €500,000 (yes, Euros) each with expenses, and all the staff on huge EU salaries.

If I had won the leadership of UKIP I would have organised the campaigns set out on the top left of the eutruth website, the most important being the General Strike.

Its not too late to do this, but it is much too late to waste time on elections with limp messages, which is how Nigel Farage has always wasted the party's time.

When we have run out of time, (January) he will have done his job, and done it superbly. He will have sabotaged the anti-EU mobvement, and allowed the EU to take over.

Unionist is quite right - except I was hounded out of the party by three rigged elections to prevent my becoming chairman of Falmouth and Camborne, by Piers Merchant trying to close my websites, and by the leadership attempting to close my anti-EU newspapers.

All effective anti-EU activists are attacked by the leadership, the harmless and ineffective are encouraged.

Malcolm Wood and Nigel Farage are saboteurs; freemasonry is rife in the leadership

Its all been published on my website and in my newspapers for 18 months, I wrote letters to UKIP asking for redress in every case and they were ignored, because the truth is not something they want to handle.

I'm afraid asking if UKIP could be a major political force suggests a lack of understanding of the position on the ground.

If you read the first box on eutruth.org.uk, then the first 6 items on the left, (one or two pages each) you will get yourself up to date; you need to know the full truth.

Westcountryman · 07-05-2008, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidnoakes

There won't be another General election

Care to put a bet on that?

youcanhandlethetruth · 08-05-2008, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidnoakes

There won't be another General election - so UKIP as a party is as pointless as all the others. It has always been pointless because it has deliberately understated the problem, and refused to expose the EU: as a dictatorship and police state that will bring us poverty.

Now the leadership of UKIP is bought and paid for by the EU - its top eight leaders on an average of €500,000 (yes, Euros) each with expenses, and all the staff on huge EU salaries.

If I had won the leadership of UKIP I would have organised the campaigns set out on the top left of the eutruth website, the most important being the General Strike.

Its not too late to do this, but it is much too late to waste time on elections with limp messages, which is how Nigel Farage has always wasted the party's time.

When we have run out of time, (January) he will have done his job, and done it superbly. He will have sabotaged the anti-EU mobvement, and allowed the EU to take over.

Unionist is quite right - except I was hounded out of the party by three rigged elections to prevent my becoming chairman of Falmouth and Camborne, by Piers Merchant trying to close my websites, and by the leadership attempting to close my anti-EU newspapers.

All effective anti-EU activists are attacked by the leadership, the harmless and ineffective are encouraged.

Malcolm Wood and Nigel Farage are saboteurs; freemasonry is rife in the leadership

Its all been published on my website and in my newspapers for 18 months, I wrote letters to UKIP asking for redress in every case and they were ignored, because the truth is not something they want to handle.

I'm afraid asking if UKIP could be a major political force suggests a lack of understanding of the position on the ground.

If you read the first box on eutruth.org.uk, then the first 6 items on the left, (one or two pages each) you will get yourself up to date; you need to know the full truth.

Sorry if I am not aware/up to date with all that is happening with UKIP but judging by the comments of the pro-EU UKIP members on this site I can fully believe you....

Well I have to be honest - I am suprised about Nigel Farage.

I've visited your website before but haven't seen anything that refers to him (again sorry I'm too busy to read it all much as I'd like to but I have read a lot of it at least. I spend most of my time raising awareness about the rise of the new world order)

I imagined a scenario whereby Nigel was true to his convictions and the party was being infiltrated with pro-EU moles but I never imagined Nigel would be a knowingly sabotage UKIP.

Shows how anybody can be blinded.....

So are you saying NF has no intention of attempting to get UKIP to be successful, even by democratic means ? Is he mis-guided or just another traitor ?

I have sympathy for you David but commend you at the same time - it's not easy when attempting to convince a bunch of morons who don't want to know what's coming around the corner or even staring them in the face.

You have a lot of quality information on your website - very good job.

Is it too late for you to set up your own party/grassroots organization irrespective of whether there is a GE or not ?

I think you'd find you'd have a lot of support from people, including myself.

Even if you can't win at the ballot box you can get a grassroots support going to raise awareness and be a basis for political change ?

Are you sure there won't just be a fake election to pacify the people into believing democracy still exists ?

Sorry so many questions - just interested to learn from someone who seems to know the score well...

youcanhandlethetruth · 08-05-2008, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

Care to put a bet on that?

If he wanted to bet he should contact the bookmakers - he'd get far better odds !

Maybe that's an idea !

06-05-2008, 11:10 AM	#121 (permalink)
davidnoakes Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 149	The EU Military dictatorship Popeye: You say: "The Lisbon Treaty quite clearly states that all member states shall work for the furtherance of the Union's objectives. Within the competencies controlled by the EU (virtually all except defence). You could not be more wrong. You clearly didn't read the first post here on the 7 deadly clauses. The EU can force us to comply with its wishes and use the military forces of other nations to compel us. And: The EU is a Military Union: scores of clauses including: Page 39 10A-c-3 "Member States shall make civilian and military capabilities available to the Union for the implementation of the common security and defence policy,” “Member States shall undertake progressively to improve their military capabilities.” You are still 15 years behind where the EU is on the ground. Read the seven clauses. __________________ David Noakes. http://eutruth.org.uk 07974 437 097 drjnoakesdel@yahoo.co.uk (delete the letters del - I\'m trying to stop spam.)

06-05-2008, 09:46 PM	#122 (permalink)
youcanhandlethetruth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,557	David, If I may I ask you a question or two..... Are you a supporter of UKIP and what are your feelings regarding the party ? Are/could they be organized to become a major political force ? If not, what do you see in the future regarding opposition to the main 3 political parties ? Many thanks YCHTT __________________ Before tyranny and television, "conspiracy theorists" never existed. cointelpro/halfwits: Akria,Clippo,Besoeker,Bear,Eurosceptic Antlantacist,MikeUK

07-05-2008, 07:57 AM	#124 (permalink)
youcanhandlethetruth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,557	Apologies - wish I had time to read all the threads from start to end(but I haven't) Interesting - I can well believe it and have wondered it myself for a while just by reading UKIP comments on this forum. Just look at the number of UKIP members who apparently want to reform/abolish the EU through a parliamentary process that is essentially pro-european ! That's like trying to turn the fridge light off without the door being closed...... Thanks very much for the info Unionist. __________________ Before tyranny and television, "conspiracy theorists" never existed. cointelpro/halfwits: Akria,Clippo,Besoeker,Bear,Eurosceptic Antlantacist,MikeUK

07-05-2008, 01:12 PM	#125 (permalink)
davidnoakes Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 149	To youcanhandlethetruth: UKIP pointless There won't be another General election - so UKIP as a party is as pointless as all the others. It has always been pointless because it has deliberately understated the problem, and refused to expose the EU: as a dictatorship and police state that will bring us poverty. Now the leadership of UKIP is bought and paid for by the EU - its top eight leaders on an average of €500,000 (yes, Euros) each with expenses, and all the staff on huge EU salaries. If I had won the leadership of UKIP I would have organised the campaigns set out on the top left of the eutruth website, the most important being the General Strike. Its not too late to do this, but it is much too late to waste time on elections with limp messages, which is how Nigel Farage has always wasted the party's time. When we have run out of time, (January) he will have done his job, and done it superbly. He will have sabotaged the anti-EU mobvement, and allowed the EU to take over. Unionist is quite right - except I was hounded out of the party by three rigged elections to prevent my becoming chairman of Falmouth and Camborne, by Piers Merchant trying to close my websites, and by the leadership attempting to close my anti-EU newspapers. All effective anti-EU activists are attacked by the leadership, the harmless and ineffective are encouraged. Malcolm Wood and Nigel Farage are saboteurs; freemasonry is rife in the leadership Its all been published on my website and in my newspapers for 18 months, I wrote letters to UKIP asking for redress in every case and they were ignored, because the truth is not something they want to handle. I'm afraid asking if UKIP could be a major political force suggests a lack of understanding of the position on the ground. If you read the first box on eutruth.org.uk, then the first 6 items on the left, (one or two pages each) you will get yourself up to date; you need to know the full truth. __________________ David Noakes. http://eutruth.org.uk 07974 437 097 drjnoakesdel@yahoo.co.uk (delete the letters del - I\'m trying to stop spam.)

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