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    Well David's predictions look very flawed at present. The Lisbon Treaty/Constitution took effect a year later than he said and we have a General Election campaign under way. Thus far none of the Westminster parties are behaving as if Parliament is going to be closed down and there is no hint of the impending closure anywhere other then in UK Column and eutruth. Of course as the press is controlled by DVD, Common Purpose, freemasonry and the legal profession according to Noakes it is possible that they are hiding this from us until the last days of the campaign.

    Does anybody still believe this DVD, Common Purpose, Illuminati rubbish?

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    The problem with the EU has always been that the British people have never been given the democratic right to vote on whether or not to be a member of it. Edward Heath took this country into the then European Economic Community - the Common Market in 1973. At the time of his election in 1970 he said that he would not do such a thing without "the full hearted consent of the British people". Unfortunately the British people were simply not asked. When Harold Wilson's government re-negotiated the terms of UK membership and submitted them to the public in a referendum in 1975, people were asked to vote on our continued membership in a common market - not some supra-Federal Eurostate. Since then, none of the treaties taking us down the road to supra-federalism - Maastricht, Nice, Amsterdam, Lisbon - have been submitted to the British people for approval. This is simply a case of membership and continued membership through the back door.
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    The most accurate description of the relationship between Westminster and the EU is that one is absorbing the other. Like ink is absorbed by blotting paper. The monarchy has signed a series of European treaties (this contrary to her coronation oath) and the stooge parties sitting at Wesminster have signed up to EU union. With hardly a whisper of dissent. Never having had a democratic mandate and completely contrary to our own law. Reflected in the fact that each member of Parliament swears an oath to defend the monarchy (but not the nation). So, what do you expect ? This nonsense has gone on for decades. And now it is absorbing the Westminster Parliament and also the laws of our nation. Exactly as was predicted. So that the takeover of our nation is real but is hardly complained about within Westminster or from within the legal industry of the UK. Aided and abetted by the corporate mass media, the oligarchs surrounding the feudal system of Westminster and leading, ultimately, to the end of national sovereignty, national government, national laws, and even the end of our own Rights in Law.

    The crazy thing is parties seeking election at Westminster still haven't got a clue of why the electorate will not vote for them. Let's ask them -

    Dear Parliamentary Candidate at the next General Election -

    The Electorate of this nation have Rights enshrined in law. Rights which are our own property, our legacy under the Common Law. Can you, dear Parliamentary candidate tell us what those Rights are ? Since you are seeking to represent the peope at the next General Election. Thank You.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aardvark View Post
    Well David's predictions look very flawed at present. The Lisbon Treaty/Constitution took effect a year later than he said and we have a General Election campaign under way. Thus far none of the Westminster parties are behaving as if Parliament is going to be closed down and there is no hint of the impending closure anywhere other then in UK Column and eutruth. Of course as the press is controlled by DVD, Common Purpose, freemasonry and the legal profession according to Noakes it is possible that they are hiding this from us until the last days of the campaign.

    Does anybody still believe this DVD, Common Purpose, Illuminati rubbish?
    Hello Aardvark

    Sometimes the UK Column Commentators have a tendency to tie themselves into timescales or events unecessarily but the general thrust of much of their content is in my opinion pretty solid.It certainly offers insights into topics of grave concern that for some reason (i would say control) are not even discussed in the mainstream media.
    I see someone has accused you of being engaged in EU disinformation.I personally dont see the point in making accusations as youre hardly going to admit to it.But you do at the bare minimum appear for some reason to be burying your head in the sand.
    Are you seriously suggesting there is nothing untoward in the workings of Common Purpose,a charity() with lets say a difference.
    Do you seriously not think Bilderberg Group meetings have a major significance.What do you think they are secretly talking about;who they fancy for this years Grand National.?
    Has it never occured to you to question how or more pertinantly WHO runs our financial system.?
    Have you never wondered and looked into for example the role played by the Bank of International Settlements or the real status/ownership of the federal reserve.?
    Do you honestly believe that who controls the supply and issuance of money has no relevence to the manner in which we are governed not just in the UK but elsewhere?
    You cant really believe that the placeman actors like Cameron,Blair,Bush,Obama,Sakorzy etc are the ones that call the shots.
    I could go on but im sure you get my point.

    As we saw with the disgraceful manner of the passage of the EU Constitution/Lisbon Treaty through our Parliament and the subsequent (expected) Cameron response-"Oh those naughty Labour and Lib Dems,oh well theres nothing to do about it lets move on and talk about the real issues BLAH,BLAH,BLAH"
    it is a SCAM pure and simple.

    The system has been corrupted and with media bias,funding,pure first past the post etc is strategically rigged to ensure certain agendas carry on regardless.
    Our so called representatives in Parliament believe they rule by some sort of Divine Right.They believe that they can break the Law with impunity as the rules that apply to the rest of us do not in their eyes apply to them.They have with no mandate from us repeatedly conspired to trade what is not theirs to give,our self determination,lawful rights etc usually in return for their future financial benefit or patronage.

    From a relatively early age and over number of years i have put in a fair amount of my own time as a grassroots activist with a non party anti Brussels pressure group in a vain attempt to try and persuade those who seek too(indeed ask )to represent us to respect our wishes and act on our behalf rather than on behalf of their sponsors lurking,manipulating and pulling strings in the background.To me now conventional channels would appear to have failed as our leaders seem to grow bolder and bolder in their attitude of "we dont care what you think,we are going to do it anyway,what are you plebs going to do about it"
    I would agree that people can sometimes get too caught up with conspiracies but there is more than enough of it true and enough evidence in front of our eyes to know that something needs to be done.
    It is for that reason i have joined The British Constitution Group who are calling for Lawful Rebellion and from what i have seen so far this is going to be a busy year.
    You see for me the issues at stake transcend party politics,left/right.It is about the fundamental manner in which we are governed,our relationship to the state,whether we are answerable to them or they to us,and whether those who govern should be subject to the rule of Law.
    Its not going to be easy but i cannot iterate enough that it needs to be done because to do nothing would be to accept being cast in the role of a modern day serf.
    I still wish you all the best against Cameron but standing as an independent Paul should these days mean being a little more questioning rather than simply blindingly accepting the real establishment line/agenda to the same extent it is by the LibLabCON.

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    theplebian, You make some good points, although, without going into to much detail tonight as I am tired, I will have to pick you up on one or 2.

    This is an election year and it is going to be busy, but I don't think the BCG is the way to go. There is no such thing as Lawful Rebellion, IMHO, and we shouldn't be diverted by the misinterpretation of archaic and repealed laws. Most of the people I meet will not be swayed by such arguments and there is a real risk of looking silly.

    I also think Common Purpose is going to have a hard time of it in the recession as cuts in council and NHS expenditure take hold. Expensive training courses are a luxury that few councils can justify and it is worthwhile, if you know CP is being funded by your local authority/PCT etc, asking whether it can be justified. I don't think CP is a great conspiracy as such, but it is a way for New Labour supporters like Julia Middleton to push a particular agenda through the back door.

    Following the horrors of WWII the Bilderbergers were a logical construct. World leaders meeting informally to discuss, off the record, key issues makes sense if we are to maintain world peace. How those issues are selected and what is in the briefing material is probably the real issue that concerns most who are worried about the conspiratorial nature of their meetings. There is little continuity in the names or positions of the leaders who have attended the conferences so one presumes that the organisers are the origin of the agendae and their recurring themes.

    I am not guilty of spreading EU disinformation, nor do I have my head in the sand, I just happen to approach the subjects referred to in a different way to the writers of UK Column. In the battle for hearts and minds you have to be careful not to frighten off your target audience with incredible tales of world wide conspiracy. Better to be moderate and to think as they think and talk as they talk. I want to win by being the normal person that my potential constituents can relate to, rather than being the seemingly swivel-eyed obsessive who people cross the road to avoid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theplebian View Post
    Are you seriously suggesting there is nothing untoward in the workings of Common Purpose,a charity() with lets say a difference.
    Do you seriously not think Bilderberg Group meetings have a major significance.What do you think they are secretly talking about;who they fancy for this years Grand National.?
    Has it never occured to you to question how or more pertinantly WHO runs our financial system.?
    Have you never wondered and looked into for example the role played by the Bank of International Settlements or the real status/ownership of the federal reserve.?
    Do you honestly believe that who controls the supply and issuance of money has no relevence to the manner in which we are governed not just in the UK but elsewhere?
    You cant really believe that the placeman actors like Cameron,Blair,Bush,Obama,Sakorzy etc are the ones that call the shots.
    I could go on but im sure you get my point.
    Who cares? More to the point - why care? If true, there is nothing you or I can do about it. If true, if it got to the point where 10% of the people believed - wouldn't "they" take action? Even more to the point, what are YOU going to do about it? I mean practically, instead of making websites and doing talks. Lawful rebellion? Don't make me laugh - save it for the tooting popular front where they might believe you.

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    Who cares?
    An increasing amount of people from all sides of the spectrum.I appreciate being a supermoderator on a busy forum like this is time consuming but you really need to widen your social circle.Try and get out a bit more.
    More to the point - why care?
    Im glad you werent in a position of responsibility or authority 70 years ago or at any other pivatol point in history..Come to think of it im glad youre not in a position of responsibility or authority today.
    If true, there is nothing you or I can do about it.
    As above.
    If true, if it got to the point where 10% of the people believed - wouldn't "they" take action?
    "they" certainly will try to take action.Unfortunately it would appear "they" will or indeed are going to take action anyway.
    Even more to the point, what are YOU going to do about it?
    By the sounds of it more than yourself.
    I mean practically, instead of making websites and doing talks.
    I think you are confusing me with someone else.I have only recently ,after total dissillusionment with conventional methods and with the manner of the passage of the EU Constitution/Lisbon Treaty not just here but elsewhere,started exploring these avenues.Im **** with computers so i am not in a position to do websites.I dont do talks either.However it is reassuring to know that the people who do have these websites and do these talks(well some of them anyway)make Yes men like yourself edgy.
    Lawful rebellion? Don't make me laugh
    Looking at what is transpiring in our country i have to admire your ability to laugh in the face of adversity.Old fashioned British quality.Good show C Stream.
    I do however think it is time for people to stand up and be counted.Even if you think it will fail i would have thought it would be more polite C Stream to wish those of us who dont wish to live our lives being treated as cattle by the State good luck.Im sure it might be needed.
    - save it for the tooting popular front where they might believe you.
    As i said there are people from across the spectrum beginning to explore these avenues.If you know Wolfie and Co and think they might be interested,feel free to send their contact details.

    If you were truly right, you'd be truly dead, don't you think?[/QUOTE]
    What you mean like Dr Kelly.I suppose as things progress it might become a worry but i dont think im important enough.Thank you for your concern anyway C Stream.

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    So in June 2010 will Mr Noakes explain to us why Westminster has not been "closed"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie endell View Post
    So in June 2010 will Mr Noakes explain to us why Westminster has not been "closed"?
    I suppose you'll have to ask Mr Noakes to explain to you why Westminster has not been "closed in" June 2010.Cant help you with that one.
    As a matter of interest though,considering the nature of the LibLabCON pantomine ,our systematically rigged system(pure first past the post,media bias,funding etc) and the fact that 80%of new legislation(with no mandate) is rubber stamping diktats from Brussels,just how shall we say "open" do you actually believe Westminster to be?

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