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Old 03-09-2007, 06:37 PM   #91 (permalink)
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I think you are gradually convincing everyone DN.
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Old 08-09-2007, 01:20 AM   #92 (permalink)
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I note you keep asking me for proof after I have provided it.

Are you too lazy to click the links I gave you? It is not me that is declining the invitation, but you who can't define what you want in a proof.

Here is a cut and paste of an article by Dan Hannan MEP. Will you accept that or do you want the paid expenses cheques back from the bank?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../19/weu119.xml

There is incredulity in Brussels that Iain Duncan Smith is being investigated over the employment of his wife. It is quite normal for Euro-MPs to keep friends and family on their payroll, and no one is ever so indiscreet as to ask whether they actually work.
I wish I could tell you that the practice is confined to continentals, but as far as I can establish a clear majority of British MEPs also employ immediate family members. In fact, we're rather famous for it. A French MEP once remarked: "What is it about you English? You employ your wives, and you sleep with your staff."
Let me add immediately that many Euro-wives are conscientious assistants who deserve every penny they get. But the point is that they don't need to be: no one ever checks. The Court of Auditors did once try to establish who the MEPs were employing - colleagues still shudder at the memory - but no one has ever asked whether these employees earn their salaries.
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The sums involved make Westminster look positively Lilliputian. Our staff allowance is €12,305 (£8,620) a month - enough to employ a genuine secretary, and a research assistant, and still have 50 or 60 grand left over for the missus.
The idea of auditing any of these expenses strikes many Euro-MPs as sacrilegious - "an assault on the dignity of our office" as an Italian friend grandly put it. So everything is done on the basis of no receipts, no invoices. The most outrageous case is the travel allowance, whereby MEPs get the equivalent of a full fare plus 20 per cent regardless of how they actually make the journey. If you're prepared to fly Ryanair from Stansted, you can easily trouser £600 a week - tax free, of course, since it counts as expenses, not income.
The same applies to our "general expenses allowance" (£2,540 a month) which is meant to cover petrol, postage and the like, but which several members find convenient to have paid directly into their current accounts.
Ditto the £180 daily attendance rate. In theory, this is meant to pay for accommodation and meals. But most of us have flats in Brussels, and you can always sub-let a room to your assistant for a surprisingly high rate which you happen to make up to him through your staff allowance. This would allow you to keep another £900 a week in more or less clear profit. (Forget paying for meals: whenever you're hungry, you just stretch out your arm and hail a passing lobbyist.)
Why am I telling you all this? It certainly won't make me many friends. When I touched on the expenses system once before, I was sent to Coventry - or "sent to Limoges", as amused French MEPs called it. But I feel that it is important to look at the practice of Europe, not just the theory.
As Euro-enthusiasts muster in defence of the new constitution, we are once again being treated to some rather uplifting rhetoric about peace and democracy and so forth. To quote the document itself: "The Union is founded on the indivisible, universal values of human dignity, freedom, equality and solidarity."
Yet behind these phrases is the reality of the Brussels system: the sacking of whistleblowers, the Eurostat scandal, the Committee of the Regions affair, the self-righteous bureaucracy, the complacent Commissioners. And where are the MEPs, supposedly the people's tribunes? Why, awarding themselves an additional perk of £35 a week to pay for any taxis that they may be forced to use when the limousine service stops running at 10pm.
Again, let me stress that many MEPs are scrupulous about their accounts, and some of them - notably the Tory budgets wonk, Chris Heaton-Harris - have been relentless in exposing sleaze. But the regime itself, despite ritual promises of reform, remains as rotten as ever. So when you are next told that the Euro-constitution "will strengthen democracy in Europe", bear in mind exactly whom you are being invited to strengthen.
Daniel Hannan is a Conservative MEP for South East England
David, it is clear that you have plenty to say and have plenty of info, I have passed all I have read and all of your links around, and my group of friends whom are anti EU through and through are getting to grips with this info as I type this.
It is also clear that some of you on here are in fact pro EU using this forum to play down hard core activists, I am suprised that you on here play down so much info as far fetched, do you find it hard to believe that super think tanks have been perfecting what is going on since the Krauts failed to take us by force?
If you are that narrow minded or are twisted little EU lovers trying to stop us in our tracks, it wont work, yes the public is reacting slow, it has been lied to for so long its hard to find your way through all the bullsh*t but the public are waking up slowly, and I will be hard at work raising awareness and I will be at all of the rallies, and yes I will go as far as I feel stopping this tragedy warrants.
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