Question Predictions for Euro Elections 2009

HM · 30-05-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Independence Now!

Many black Americans aren't born into poverty and don't come from poor backgrounds yet they still have lower average IQs than white Americans from similar social-economic backgrounds. How can this be explained other than genetic factors?

How is it that so many black african countries are so poorly run when their leaders have had good educations (some of whom have been to Oxford and Cambridge)?

1. According to US government data, black households had the lowest
median income, 24.3% of blacks were in poverty. Compare this with 8.2% for whites. If you really believe that blacks and whites are on a level-pegging for IQ testing, you are defying the factual evidence.
Source: http://www.census.gov/prod/2007pubs/p60-233.pdf
2. So many black African countries are so poorly run because power corrupts and their leaders are either dictators or crooks. In countries where there is widespread poverty, politics will polarise so the leaders will either have to deliver of force people to think they are delivering. OK?

HM · 30-05-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Independence Now!

Mr Griffin went to Downing College, Cambridge. I think you will find that he isn't 'thick' or a 'thug' or any of the other ridiculous smears loony-left PC people insult BNP members/supporters with.

Yes but he was in the NF and has denied the holocaust. That comes pretty close to thugdom if you ask me.

blueblood1920 · 30-05-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by UkipHM

1. According to US government data, black households had the lowest
median income, 24.3% of blacks were in poverty. Compare this with 8.2% for whites. If you really believe that blacks and whites are on a level-pegging for IQ testing, you are defying the factual evidence.
Source: http://www.census.gov/prod/2007pubs/p60-233.pdf
2. So many black African countries are so poorly run because power corrupts and their leaders are either dictators or crooks. In countries where there is widespread poverty, politics will polarise so the leaders will either have to deliver of force people to think they are delivering. OK?

If blacks have a genetic trait which makes them less interlligent on average than other races then surely it is going to make them live in more poverty. Now a days minority communities have it very easy and get lots of support so saying the are discriminated against cant be used now.

blueblood1920 · 30-05-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by UkipHM

Yes but he was in the NF and has denied the holocaust. That comes pretty close to thugdom if you ask me.

Now if you knew your history of the NF you would know that it wasnt always a neo-nazi party filled with thugs. People can change their opinions on things, the holocaust is for Historians to investigate and discuss. Politicians should focus on the issue at hand and the future.

HM · 30-05-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blueblood1920

If blacks have a genetic trait which makes them less interlligent on average than other races then surely it is going to make them live in more poverty. Now a days minority communities have it very easy and get lots of support so saying the are discriminated against cant be used now.

Or maybe they were stolen from their homelands, enslaved and oppressed until they got civil rights? Being mistreated and oppressed isn't a genetic trait

HM · 30-05-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blueblood1920

Now if you knew your history of the NF you would know that it wasnt always a neo-nazi party filled with thugs. People can change their opinions on things, the holocaust is for Historians to investigate and discuss. Politicians should focus on the issue at hand and the future.

Or people could just pretend they didn't harbour those opinions any more. And if politicians shouldn't be investigating and discussing the holocaust and they should be wrapped up in their issues at hand, why was Griffin going about publishing holocaust denial? And how is the holocaust to do with the future? You're spouting self-contradicting rubbish.

Independence Now! · 30-05-2008, 10:14 PM

The Holocaust shouldn't be about the future but the problem is loony-left Marxist cranks and various Zionist groups use it as a mean of bashing whites over the head with to make them feel guilty about being white Europeans and more expressly by effectively implying that if you want very tough immigration laws and want them properly enforced you are a 'Nazi', 'fascist' etc and want to repeat the Holocaust! These people use it as a 'moral club'! I think that is sick personally and the victims shouldn't be used in this way.

HM · 30-05-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Independence Now!

The Holocaust shouldn't be about the future but the problem is loony-left Marxist cranks and various Zionist groups use it as a mean of bashing whites over the head with to make them feel guilty about being white Europeans and more expressly by effectively implying that if you want very tough immigration laws and want them properly enforced you are a 'Nazi', 'fascist' etc and want to repeat the Holocaust! These people use it as a 'moral club'! I think that is sick personally and the victims shouldn't be used in this way.

I do agree with you there.

a swansong 4 europe · 01-06-2008, 09:26 PM

Independence Now comes across as a bit of a Tyndallist type of thinker, who, like Tyndall, was or is utterly and totally obsessed about race and intelligence, and that this preoccupation almost certainly held back the BNP for most of the 2 decades that he (Tyndall) was in charge. If someone is of mixed race, then I detect that whatever past BNP (and some present) members think, one cannot morally maintain the denial of the rights of those of mixed British ancestry.

To me, if someone has a mixed race parent, then it is for the BNP to actually campaign on their behalf, because ironically, they have far more to lose in terms of their past identity, then those hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants that have crawlled their way into this country. If they do not belong here, then where do they belong?

If someone has British blood flowing through their veins, then they have as much entitlement to their British heritage as anyone with two British parents. If Britain were real estate and left in the will of a deathbed patient, then someone with a direct genetic link to this country's past, even if one of their parents is non -white, would be absolutely entitled to such a legacy - and who could legally deny them that right of legacy?

Perhaps if Independence Now concentrated of the morality of modern Britain and that one cannot justify denying a mixed race person their British heritage if they are entitled to it, then the BNP would undoubtably move an awful lot faster than it currently does.

01-06-2008, 09:26 PM	#79 (permalink)
a swansong 4 europe Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 411	Independence Now comes across as a bit of a Tyndallist type of thinker, who, like Tyndall, was or is utterly and totally obsessed about race and intelligence, and that this preoccupation almost certainly held back the BNP for most of the 2 decades that he (Tyndall) was in charge. If someone is of mixed race, then I detect that whatever past BNP (and some present) members think, one cannot morally maintain the denial of the rights of those of mixed British ancestry. To me, if someone has a mixed race parent, then it is for the BNP to actually campaign on their behalf, because ironically, they have far more to lose in terms of their past identity, then those hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants that have crawlled their way into this country. If they do not belong here, then where do they belong? If someone has British blood flowing through their veins, then they have as much entitlement to their British heritage as anyone with two British parents. If Britain were real estate and left in the will of a deathbed patient, then someone with a direct genetic link to this country's past, even if one of their parents is non -white, would be absolutely entitled to such a legacy - and who could legally deny them that right of legacy? Perhaps if Independence Now concentrated of the morality of modern Britain and that one cannot justify denying a mixed race person their British heritage if they are entitled to it, then the BNP would undoubtably move an awful lot faster than it currently does. Last edited by a swansong 4 europe; 01-06-2008 at 09:29 PM.

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30-05-2008, 10:14 PM	#77 (permalink)
Independence Now! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,096	The Holocaust shouldn't be about the future but the problem is loony-left Marxist cranks and various Zionist groups use it as a mean of bashing whites over the head with to make them feel guilty about being white Europeans and more expressly by effectively implying that if you want very tough immigration laws and want them properly enforced you are a 'Nazi', 'fascist' etc and want to repeat the Holocaust! These people use it as a 'moral club'! I think that is sick personally and the victims shouldn't be used in this way.