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If the BNP has 'no chance' then why did an article in the Times newspaper no less predict Mr Griffin becoming an MEP next year?

For_England

Get your facts straight for once. The public don't trust the BNP, and won't for as long as Collett, Griffin and Barnes are in control. However half the population agrees more or less with BNP policy, and unlike racists like you, they don't want Brits to become a minority within the UK, which they would under UKIP policies. So grow up and try speaking something of worth, instead of the same old pig-headed, out-of-touch rubbish.

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IF UKIP had got its act together BEFORE the 2005 GE, then we might now see a party lead by Farage/Kilroy doing far better than its present 2.3%, which is truly a ridiculous state of affairs for a party that polled nearly 2 half million votes 4 years ago. UKIP has made no gains since that time, and has barely scratched the surface of local politics, a mistake of monumental proportions when compared with the BNP's approach to this subject. Also, it was the Liberal Party in the 60's that realised the potential of pushing the local political barriers to get established on the road to national success.

UKIP's leadership have ignored local politics for far too long, and the results can be seen at places such as Crewe. The leadership en masse have an ideology of electoral triumph only being relevent at national levels, as demonstrated by their incompetant obsessions with fighting by-elections for Parliament by the bucket load no matter what the cost, no matter how paltry the vote. Compared to that, their local ambitions barely rose above the bottom rung of the electoral ladder.

UKIP's failure not just to hold onto its two members of the London Assembly - won at the same time of their euphoric EU gains, but also fail to actually increase it, should, more than any other single poll, warn UKIP members to the impending doom that UKIP is heading for in 2009.

The writing is on the wall for UKIP, and at each and every elelction over the last 3 years, UKIPers have predicted inroads at all levels of local and national politics, and continued to deride those who suggested otherwise, yet each and every time, it was a case of not: "wow, what a great result!", but: "why such a bad result?". Excuses, excuses and more excuses. The membership need to get a grip of their party before the leadership lose it altogether.

If UKIP is the premier anti EU party then it needs to act like it means business, before the business goes bust.

HM

"The public don't trust the BNP, and won't for as long as Collett, Griffin and Barnes are in control." True.

I agree with BNP policies on Europe, Health, Transport, Pensioners and Democracy. Because those policies make sense.

Please explain how I am a racist. And how you would prevent "Brits" becoming "a minority within the UK"? Birth control on all people of a different skin colour? Lebensborn? Mass repatriations and deportations? Policed opposition to interracial sex?

I will speak something of worth right here, right now: the BNP would economically and politically isolate Britain.

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HM

If Kilroy had been in charge, UKIP would have turned into a party bent on hating Arabs. He would not have been an effective leader and his ideas clearly didn't work (as we saw with the Veritas fiasco).

Let's remember that there are millions of Eurosceptics in this country who support other parties but will be perfectly willing to go out in 2009, briefly severing party ties to vote for UKIP, which, as Bob Spink described it, really is "an alternative that's not the BNP and a party that listens to the people." It is the largest Eurosceptic party in the country and it isn't into extreme politics.

It's true. UKIP haven't done enough in local politics and maybe that's down to not having enough activists.

But those two members weren't even true UKIPers. They just deserted with Kilroy and dug themselves a hole. And let's remember that it was Europe polling day at the GLA elections before these recent ones, so more people would have turned out to go gunning for UKIP.
The loss reflects the attitude to want to "give Brown a kicking" and does not in any way give a prediction for 2009.

But I won't disagree that a lot needs to be done.

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For_England

Anyone who would deny the right of a people to their own homeland is supporting genocide.

How would I, or how would the BNP? they are not necessarily the same. However mass repatriation, as advocated by Enoch Powell, is the only solution to the demographic timebomb we are facing.
You obviously think the world in twenty years time will still be very similar to how it is now. I do not - the changes that would bring a BNP government into power in Britain would do similar across Europe. I don't accept that refusing to allow Britain to be bought and sold for narrow economic interests is a good thing for the UK.

For_England

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HM

Genocide is enforced. I am not forcing Caucasians at gunpoint to go and have kids with blacks or Asians or whatever. But at least I'd let them have the choice to.

By 'you' I actually meant 'the BNP'. It would be so much easier if we could use vos in English . But it's nice to know you support the creme de la creme of right-wing extremists (the NF) in your personal 'solution' to the 'problem'.

And surely this riduculous autarky thing that the BNP is trying to push will just deprive Britain of more trade and of any international influence it has. I never suggested that Britain should be "bought and sold". I do suggest that it keeps its options open, especially with the economies of some Commonwealth members set to rise steeply.

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For_England

People never wanted mass immigration, and we were never asked.

Actually I agree with the BNP that a very generous voluntary programme should be in place.

If the world economy goes into meltdown, as looks very possible with peak oil, peak food, global warming etc, we would not be in a position to feed our own people. We cannot build our entire economic system on oil anymore, nor is it sensible to get food shipped in from the four corners of the earth. In light of present trends, we certainly shouldn't be packing the country as tightly as possible with different races - it's like a keg just waiting to explode.
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Westcountryman

I wonder if that's what people in what is now the USA, Australia, New Zealand etc thought.

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