Question Predictions for Euro Elections 2009

HM · 25-05-2008, 08:07 PM

But then again maybe if Griffin got elected to Brussels we wouldn't have to tolerate him in the UK any more

Independence Now! · 26-05-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Harris Morgan

There's a lot of doom and gloom about this post. But I will give my optimistic and maybe foolish judgement anyway:
* There will be no major surge for the BNP as most of the public detest their ideology
* To actually get more voters UKIP will undoubtedly need to get a celeb again. I'm not just saying this for effect - that is just how fickle the public can be (viz. Kilroy). And we do have James Whale on our side

* The Tories need watching. As long as UKIP mentions plenty of times the fact that they are pro-EU we should prevail.
* UKIP certainly will need to address this "don't vote Cameron just to give Brown a kick in the face" thing and it will need the widest ever campaign.

The 2009 Euros are undoubtedly going to be a pivotal moment in UKIP's history.

The public detest the BNP's ideology! So how comes then that many BNP policies receive 50% plus backing from the public when they are told about them? Bringing back the death penalty and other harsher measures to deal with criminals is one BNP policy that is very popular!

Independence Now! · 26-05-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Harris Morgan

But then again maybe if Griffin got elected to Brussels we wouldn't have to tolerate him in the UK any more

He would be very effective in undermining the EU from within the very heart of the beast

kernow · 26-05-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex McKee

The same was said of 2005 just prior to the General Election. It did not happen. It was said again just before the 2006 local elections. Again, the BNP did not breakthrough like they hoped and again there was no dramatic meltdown for UKIP.

Give it up. I know it's a wet dream of every BNP activist to access the resources and respectability of UKIP but it's never going to happen. Thankfully.

Hear! Hear!

Independent UKIP · 26-05-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Independence Now!

He would be very effective in undermining the EU from within the very heart of the beast

He will if elected go native far faster than Tom Wise or any other UKIP ever did in my opinion. He will for example be desperate to be a member of an EU Parliamentary group will he not? Joining with FN, VB and such like regardless of their overall view on EU membership. Or is he unknown to me already committed to rejecting any form of association with every single similar party in the European Parliament?

HM · 27-05-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Independence Now!

The public detest the BNP's ideology! So how comes then that many BNP policies receive 50% plus backing from the public when they are told about them? Bringing back the death penalty and other harsher measures to deal with criminals is one BNP policy that is very popular!

You're not mentioning the fact that most of the public aren't racist and actually embrace multiracialism. The BNP is undoubtedly seen as THE RACIST PARTY.

UKIP would offer a referendum on capital punishment. If you've ever read their Crime and Justice manifesto they propose some great thinking on realistic punishment for criminals.

Griffin, I'm sure, has some great connexions with the Nazis in France. That doesn't mean he'll manage to do some world-famous coup d'etat which brings down the EU and he certainly will be no more efficient than the UKIP MEPs in doing anything. Probably less since he's got such a tiny little Nazi brain.
All sane, non-racist Eurosceptics will vote for UKIP in 2009 and the BNP's hopes of making it big in the European stage will be shattered as they realise their proletariat core won't be bothered to want to vote for a titchy little insignificant Euroelection. They have houses to build.

Raymond Finch · 27-05-2008, 02:58 PM

The simple facts are that if UKIP get a good campaign going again then we will get at least the same score. Last time out we were fairly unknown. Labours vote will vanish. We need to concentrate our fire on the Tory lies about the referendum and the fact that the LDs policy is for us to scrap the pound and put us further in the belly of the beast. People generally vote LD because they are disgusted with their historical party. We need to highlight the danger of electing them. We know that Cameron is pro-EU, whatever bleating noises he makes about being Eurosceptic, and we have to convince those members of the electorate who are actually anti-EU to vote for THE anti-EU party.
As Labour voters are unlikely to come out in numbers it is likely that the total vote count will be lower so we should need less numbers in total to get our target score. This is all achieveable. However, we need a lot of money to spend and to go for our enemies throats.
As for the BNP. They have no chance. The EU is not what their potential electorate see as a core policy.
We do have to use the unfettered internal EU immigration as an issue. This should greatly help our vote.

Independence Now! · 27-05-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Independent UKIP

He will if elected go native far faster than Tom Wise or any other UKIP ever did in my opinion. He will for example be desperate to be a member of an EU Parliamentary group will he not? Joining with FN, VB and such like regardless of their overall view on EU membership. Or is he unknown to me already committed to rejecting any form of association with every single similar party in the European Parliament?

He would join-up with Le Pen's FN but that doesn't mean he would go native. The BNP is dedicated to the cause of EU withdrawal and Mr Le Pen's view of the EU is one that bears no resemblance to present-day reality.

Independence Now! · 27-05-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Harris Morgan

You're not mentioning the fact that most of the public aren't racist and actually embrace multiracialism. The BNP is undoubtedly seen as THE RACIST PARTY.

UKIP would offer a referendum on capital punishment. If you've ever read their Crime and Justice manifesto they propose some great thinking on realistic punishment for criminals.

Griffin, I'm sure, has some great connexions with the Nazis in France. That doesn't mean he'll manage to do some world-famous coup d'etat which brings down the EU and he certainly will be no more efficient than the UKIP MEPs in doing anything. Probably less since he's got such a tiny little Nazi brain.
All sane, non-racist Eurosceptics will vote for UKIP in 2009 and the BNP's hopes of making it big in the European stage will be shattered as they realise their proletariat core won't be bothered to want to vote for a titchy little insignificant Euroelection. They have houses to build.

Grow-up! Mr Griffin would be more effective than UKIP MEP's seeing as he will belong to a proper nationalist grouping of MEPs whose whole political philosophy (unlike UKIP's) is opposed to the very idea of political union in Europe.

Most of the public embrace multiracialism. So how come then that large numbers think immigration has been bad for Britain? I wonder what they are thinking then?

Independence Now! · 27-05-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Raymond Finch

The simple facts are that if UKIP get a good campaign going again then we will get at least the same score. Last time out we were fairly unknown. Labours vote will vanish. We need to concentrate our fire on the Tory lies about the referendum and the fact that the LDs policy is for us to scrap the pound and put us further in the belly of the beast. People generally vote LD because they are disgusted with their historical party. We need to highlight the danger of electing them. We know that Cameron is pro-EU, whatever bleating noises he makes about being Eurosceptic, and we have to convince those members of the electorate who are actually anti-EU to vote for THE anti-EU party.
As Labour voters are unlikely to come out in numbers it is likely that the total vote count will be lower so we should need less numbers in total to get our target score. This is all achieveable. However, we need a lot of money to spend and to go for our enemies throats.
As for the BNP. They have no chance. The EU is not what their potential electorate see as a core policy.
We do have to use the unfettered internal EU immigration as an issue. This should greatly help our vote.

Labour's vote will certainly not 'vanish'. There is a hardcore Labour vote in Britain of something like 24% of the electorate. In Euro elections, this would be slightly less but only because of a lower turnout.

What would be more effective protest vote about the EU and particularly unfettered internal EU migration - a vote for an 'approved' anti-EU party like UKIP or for the one party the entire political Establishment and its bought-and-paid-for PC media love to hate ie the BNP?

The BNP needs to make more members of the public aware that it is just as opposed to Britain being in the EU as UKIP is and should link this issue with EU migration. No prizes for guessing which party is known to have a more hardline stance on immigration and also there is no other party that has the capability to make the political Establishment sit-up and take notice of than the BNP.

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27-05-2008, 02:58 PM	#27 (permalink)
Raymond Finch Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 489	The simple facts are that if UKIP get a good campaign going again then we will get at least the same score. Last time out we were fairly unknown. Labours vote will vanish. We need to concentrate our fire on the Tory lies about the referendum and the fact that the LDs policy is for us to scrap the pound and put us further in the belly of the beast. People generally vote LD because they are disgusted with their historical party. We need to highlight the danger of electing them. We know that Cameron is pro-EU, whatever bleating noises he makes about being Eurosceptic, and we have to convince those members of the electorate who are actually anti-EU to vote for THE anti-EU party. As Labour voters are unlikely to come out in numbers it is likely that the total vote count will be lower so we should need less numbers in total to get our target score. This is all achieveable. However, we need a lot of money to spend and to go for our enemies throats. As for the BNP. They have no chance. The EU is not what their potential electorate see as a core policy. We do have to use the unfettered internal EU immigration as an issue. This should greatly help our vote.